The Real Costs of Digital Realities: AI Experts Jeff J Hunter & Katya Haley on Human Connection

We’re living in a time where finding authenticity feels like a needle in a haystack, especially with all this AI-driven content flooding our feeds. Brands are out here using AI to spit out these perfectly polished messages, but where’s the real connection?

That’s why I’m absolutely stoked to bring you a conversation that’s going to blow your mind. I sat down with two absolute trailblazers in the world of AI and personal branding: Jeff J. Hunter and Katya Hayley. These two aren’t just talking about AI—they’re flipping the script on what authenticity means in both business and personal relationships.

In this episode, we shared our experiences in using the rapidly evolving world of AI in all of our businesses and how it’s reshaping everything from content creation to the way we truly connect with one another on and off line. Jeff J. Hunter, a savage marketer and AI innovation expert, spills the tea on how businesses can leverage AI without losing that essential human touch. Then, Katya Hayley, an NLP coach and trainer, takes it even further, showing us how AI can actually boost personal growth, self-improvement and how it saved her marriage.

As Jeff puts it, "AI is like an amplification"... How you choose to use it, will magnify the good, the bad, or the ugly. 

But let me be clear—this isn’t just another tech talk, we explore how AI can be both a transformative tool and a potential threat to the very essence of authenticity. Jeff and Katya don’t hold back, sharing real-life applications like using AI to create deeply moving social media posts and programming AI for therapeutic conversations. 

We’re comparing all of our AI knowledge not just to optimize our business, but how that has impacted the "out-source game" aka hiring out overseas staffs and the limitations of human-powered creativity.

But Jeff really nails it when he says, "If people think that you are using AI, you've lost."

If you’re ready to explore how AI and don't take yourself too seriously, this episode is for you.

Key Takeaways:
AI can significantly enhance content creation efficiency, but it’s crucial for businesses to ensure that content remains authentic and meaningful to maintain trust.
AI tools like ChatGPT can be powerful allies in personal growth, helping individuals work through personal challenges and improve communication skills.
With AI integrating into more aspects of life, addressing ethical concerns regarding originality, creativity, and personal data is more important than ever.
Embracing vulnerability and authenticity can help navigate negativity, whether from online trolls or personal insecurities brought to light by AI.

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0:00:06 - (Tawni Nguyen): Hey, guys, welcome back to another episode of Fit Andfugal. I'm your host, Tawni Nguyen. And today I have my very first threesome.

0:00:13 - (Jeff J Hunter): Woo.

0:00:15 - (Tawni Nguyen): The homie Jeff J. Hunter right here y. And my beautiful girl, Katya.

0:00:20 - (Katya Hayley): Thank you, love. So happy to be here. I'm excited for this one.

0:00:23 - (Tawni Nguyen): Or do you like Katya Haley? Or is that like the whole porn thing like the double name? Ooh.

0:00:30 - (Katya Hayley): Let's give that a Katya already. That's good. Love, Haley.

0:00:33 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, yeah, no. So welcome and thank you for being here. And I think why I feel like this conversation needs to be halved more often is something that we talked about at the event, at, you know, the event on Saturday with what consumers want from brand. And that still kind of stuck with me especially. We're entering an age of AI that we think it's still an infancy, but I think we're a lot further than most people, right.

0:01:01 - (Tawni Nguyen): That are not predominantly using AI in their business and stuff. But what I want to really ask you guys, since we didn't get to touch on this on Saturday, it'like, with what consumers want is authenticity and, you know, vulnerability and all that stuff from brand. Like, how do you think AI and AI related technologies now affecting what it's doing to human connection as well as brand relating to consumers directly?

0:01:23 - (Jeff J Hunter): You want to take that first?

0:01:25 - (Katya Hayley): Sure. I would say that obviously with emerging technology like AI, it's the one of the things that people are doing a lot with it is content creation and writing captions and long form copy and things like that. And most people actually just go and chatgbt and be like, write me a bloge post about leadership, you know, but then it creates such a generic type of content, so there is a lot more people who are using it. And I actually put a lot of trash out. So it's really, actually hard to find like, what is actually true and are they actual experts? Because nowadays, with finding the right copywriting hacks and tips, you can actually program awayi to write it.

0:02:07 - (Katya Hayley): And people can like, just pretend, you know, be like, I'm this expert. So I would say there's definitely a problem authenticity when it comes to it. However, and I'm sure Jeff will touch on that, is there is a way to program AI to write just like you and sometimes even better. I mean, we did that at our event that we hosted last month. We wrote a really touching copy of a lady whose husband passed away and entire room was sobbing after we had claude right the caption.

0:02:39 - (Katya Hayley): So to me personally, it was like kind of like a breakthrough for myself personally, seeing like, wow, this can actually really touch the hearts and the soul. So I think there'definitely both sides.

0:02:51 - (Jeff J Hunter): Yeah, I think there's two. To finish up what Kati was saying and then back to the original question. AI is definitely way further than most people think it is. We only seeerc what commercial available. Like here, here's the version that we've proven and tested and it's good. And here you get to play with it. And even those versions are like, wow, incredible. And most of the reason why people don't get good results from AI is because they suck at writing or they suck, they're just not great in general.

0:03:23 - (Jeff J Hunter): If AI is like an amplification, it's almost like money. If you're a good person, money is a great tool. If you are a shitty person, money is also a great tool to continue with what you want to do. But on to what you were saying about the human side of it and AI, and I love what Katya said. You don't even know who's real anymore. It's really important. I believe right now is a very important time to build your brand.

0:03:51 - (Jeff J Hunter): It's really important to build authority. It's way more important right now to build community. And the reason being is because very soon anybody will be able to look good because they can go to an AI, they can literally chat and use the AI to create their social media content, their blog post, whatever else not. And right now we're in the infancy of the quality of the pre programmed language models and natural language processing, which the data sets right now aren't great. That's why if you type, hey, write me a blog on this or a social media post on that, like 99% of all the content that's inside the database sucks. So of course you're going to get sucky results.

0:04:35 - (Jeff J Hunter): But for someone like Katya and I, who like, we do this for a living, I've done, me and Katya have done over 100 AI consult calls. We actually just spent a whole day recording content yesterday for the University of South Florida. We where were actually the very first AI curriculum in that program. So we're super excited about that. For us, we can get it to. I just wrote a post using AI literally 30 minutes ago with a potential client and he was just like, whoa, that's amazing.

0:05:06 - (Jeff J Hunter): That's where we're at right now. The brand is very important because people are going to be looking for who is actually legitimate, who can I actually trust? And by the way you know who's going to really hurt and hate life? Everyone in HR, because now they're going to have to figure out, is this resial written by Chadgbt. How do I know this? Because me and Katya made a custom GPT that you literally give a job description for a job.

0:05:33 - (Jeff J Hunter): It will write the perfect job description resume, and it will actually write a cover letter to make you the ideal candidate for that position.

0:05:43 - (Katya Hayley): Dude, I used to spend days and weeks and months actually writing my resume. It was such a pain in the ass. Luckily I never had to use it, which is amazing. And he learns that I'm very blessed to be able to not do that, but I wish I had that when I was in college. Like, it would have been a game changer.

0:06:02 - (Jeff J Hunter): Yeah, I actually helped my goddaughter. She's 24, and she was applying for her first job and actually helped her. I used my own custom GBT to help her write, like her application letter and her cover letter and resume. And it was just mind blowing because she had never really used AI before. And I actually told her, I said, think about this, you just graduated from college. You will be the last class to graduate. Who really did their own homework.

0:06:33 - (Jeff J Hunter): The kids. They're learning it. Me and Kati were just talking about this. 90% of all potential employers right now, the jobs that are out there, they're looking for people that have AI skills, that know how to use tratybt. It's just like, it's here.

0:06:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. And I love that how you guys sum that up, because one, like, what I got out of that as someone that actually went to college, like, later on in life, and my background comes from human communication, so anything between leadership and interpersonal. So I value, like, the identity of the spoken words and rhetoric.

0:07:04 - (Jeff J Hunter): Oh, yeah.

0:07:05 - (Tawni Nguyen): And that's so misused lately in the influencer spears, which I think a lot of people that go on the Internet calls themselves gurus because for that reason, they are using innovation to falsify a narrative of the skill that they don't have or yet to develop. Then I think that's fucking bullshit because I'm like, that's fucking fantastic if you want to make money doing it and why isn't the next guy doing it? But there are these kids, kind of like when we went through college, we're doing our own homework, right, but I think in this digital space itself, like you just said, like when you can just have AI write a resume for you, but when you show up as a person and you don't have those skills.

0:07:40 - (Tawni Nguyen): And then what? Like, it can get you a ticket through the door, but at the end of the day, you still have to do your fucking homework. And I think that's why I kind of like that people have to go back to work. It's now because it shows. It's kind of like when the boat, when the ocean goes dry, like the one swimming naked, it's revealed. It's because I think we're entering that space where there's a lot of fluff on the fucking Internet.

0:07:59 - (Tawni Nguyen): And I hope, like, I mean, I don't wish this on people, but I just hope that there's that kind of exposure in terms of, like, who's really speaking truth, who believes in it, versus who's just using it as mass market just to get Byral.

0:08:12 - (Jeff J Hunter): I think it's already happening, though. It's kind of almost darwinian, what's happening right now. Know, you see, especially in the coaching space, you see a lot of coaches and consultants who really, I don't know if you're on TikTok, but I love watching these TikTok videos. I'm not going to say who it is. It's the funny ass guy. But he's made himself pretty famous on TikTok by applying for jobs. Like, he applies for jobs. And he literally, on the Zoom call, he will have zoom open on one, and he'll have chat GPT open on the other.

0:08:46 - (Jeff J Hunter): And during the interviews, they will ask the questions, and he turns on the voice recorder thing, and it literally transcribes their questions live. And then he presses enter, and it literally gives the exact response. And he's like an asian guy, barely speak English. And he's just like, well, actually, in this case, I would. My God, his camera behind it. So it's showing the Zoom call happening live and him reading off the chat CBT script.

0:09:10 - (Jeff J Hunter): So eventually, it's going to get to a point to where the brand authority is you. And luckily for us, we've invested in the brand, so people already have authority, but we're already seeing the real pushback, especially in publications. Look@Amazon.com. dot Amazon.com now has a button, a checkbox that says, did you use AI to generate content in this book? So even that's happening. Let's go to an MIT research that shows that there was a research group.

0:09:42 - (Jeff J Hunter): MIT did a research. They had a test group. They gave them two pieces of paper. Both of them were articles. One of them was written by AI. One of them was written by human. They didn't tell the research group that. They just said, hey, which one of these do you think is better? And everybody, pretty much the entire group thought that the one written by AI was better. They said it was more professional, it was clean, easy to understand, thought it was well written.

0:10:08 - (Jeff J Hunter): Until they said that that one was written by AI. Then they liked the human one better, which means there's an innate bias against AI, for obvious reasons. Humans are also worried about it. Plus, we've all seen Terminator, which, by the way, is why every time I speak to the AI, I'm always like, hey, thank you for, that's really great. Because when Skynet is developed and they go room by room, they're going toa come to me and they're going to be like, hey, you were cool.

0:10:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah.

0:10:41 - (Jeff J Hunter): You know what I'm saying?

0:10:42 - (Tawni Nguyen): I am really nice. My chat CPT bo I'm like, can you do this for me? Oh, thank you. I'm like, thank you, but can you elaborate? So I'm always trying to be nice because I feel like that's just how we are as humans too, but with you guys, like, being AI consultants, right? So now you're training clients kind of like myself. Let's just put me in this role. And for me, it's, what I want to ask you is like, what kind of personal responsibility do you feel? Because now when using AI, it's kind of like you're kind of teaching clients to use AI, as I would call them, training wheels, to build the brand, to do all the steps in the processes and innovate all the steps that we as humans cannot think of?

0:11:20 - (Tawni Nguyen): Because for me, that lacks creativity and that just lacks, like, originality, but it's a good training wheel. But how much of that responsibility is just them using that as a crutch and are never going toa be able to let it go because it's doing so much better than we in our human capacity, are able to output.

0:11:40 - (Katya Hayley): Yeah, it's funny you say that, because I was thinking about the same thing, but actually from not even a business perspective, but us as humans in our brain and how we operate. Right? So my background as well as I'm a neuroinguistic programming coach and trainer, so I'm obsessed with patterns and language patterns in humans and the language patterns when it comes to spe ##aking with ourselves, but also speaking to others. Like, I'm constantly monitoring, like, the language patterns of people writing. I can identify, you know, whether or not they have specific limiting beliefs or how they operate. And stuff like that. What is their value levels and things like that. But with AI, what I was gonna say is, for example, I don't even use Google anymore. I go to chagbt for anything, right. Because it just cuts out all the b's, right. And then if I have speed, I'm.

0:12:26 - (Jeff J Hunter): I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. Chadgbt is so woke now. It itok. I was trying to get some real responses from it, and it was like, well, actually, you know, I don't feel comfortable telling you the truth about that matter. I mean, it's not what it says, but that's what it means, right? Like, oh, I can't tell you. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

0:12:43 - (Katya Hayley): No, but I was gonna say that I feel like it's definitely gonna affect our brains as humans. Certain areas of our brain are gonna stop operating because now we don't have to do the math. Like, we don't have to actually engage that part of the brain anymore because we're gonna rely on the computer because it's gonna be so much faster. It's gonna be, you know, so much more precise. So I think on the long term scale, if you look at it, we as humans are going to actually rely on technology a lot.

0:13:11 - (Jeff J Hunter): And as a social media copywriter, I was literally writing social media content for people because they sucked at writing social media content. So there's some validity of what you're saying. But the purpose, that's why they hire brand builders. Most of these celebrities aren't writing their own posts outside of Kanye and Trump. You, like, who else is, like, you ever read the official, like, Joe Biden's friggin Twitter? Like, you look at that and you're like, dude, you know, who's the, like, 20 year old blue haired person who'siting, who's writing these posts?

0:13:47 - (Katya Hayley): The pronounce, are they.

0:13:48 - (Jeff J Hunter): We know. Yeah, it's definitely a they them. You know what I mean?

0:13:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): Anyway, whole senile language is a different.

0:13:59 - (Jeff J Hunter): I can define America in one word anyway. We're not going to go there. All I'm saying is, the point is, you know, all the way to the highest position in America. They have content writers, they have people that write their speeches and their social media content. It's not a new thing. The difference is, can you use AI to do that? So for me is, you know, in my previous life as a marketer, is, for me, it's made my life amazing because instead of me doing all the work or hiring other copywriters, I'm able to just train the AI.

0:14:36 - (Jeff J Hunter): Here's what I would do. Here's what I would say. Here's what I would write. Yeah, I give it that data set, I give it my past social media content, I give it my past videos. It's able to know exactly how I talk, how I write, things like that. So let me give you the ethical dilemma. Here's the ethical dilemma. If I give my social media copywriter, my AI copywriter, 100 of my most viral posts, and then I have my AI imitate my writing style and write that post, or I hire a ghostwriiter, and then I give them 100 of my most viral social media posts to learn from, and then they write me a post.

0:15:17 - (Jeff J Hunter): One is written by AI, trained by me. One is a human trained by me. Which one is legit?

0:15:25 - (Katya Hayley): AI will do better.

0:15:26 - (Jeff J Hunter): A, because I'm sorry to say this, but I can train an AI in less than 30 minutes. It's going to take that human days, weeks, months to write like me. Right? And here's the other thing. AI, it will never ask for a raise. It never complains when I ask for a revision, right? I can feed it so much data, it works 24/7 never approaches my clients. Like, AI is amazing. And I guess at the end of the day, it's just about how you use it and who owns the content. I think that's the big thing.

0:15:59 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, I agree with that completely. Just because data itself is what AI is programmed to do versus human, I think trying to have another human replicate your creativity, it's much harder because I think at the same time, you have to fight your own creativity as like, as a copywriter. Like I write my own blogs, like nothing I produce comes from AI. But I just feel like we're going into a path that there's such like a disparity between originality from me reaching you as a person, because now I would pass it on to my assistant, and my assistant is now going to put into AI, and then my creative director is going to look through it, and if I have a social media team, they're going to filter that out and they're going to filter that out. And then I look at the final revision and I'm like, well, that's not even me anymore, because it provides like a disconnect between the message itself from sender a to b.

0:16:45 - (Jeff J Hunter): First off, I agreeah. I agree. And this is why in this age of AI and automation, it's never been more important to be human. People want to have that human connection, and that's really important. I'm going to also, you made me think of something even more important. Even more important from a business owner. IP from an intellectual property standpoint. Okay, think about this. How many people in your life now?

0:17:12 - (Jeff J Hunter): I'm a little bit older than you guys, but I've hired hundreds and hundreds of people to work for me at one time. I don't even know. I mean, I actually, I probably would say I probably hired over a thousand people to work for me to get to the 150 people that I have working for me right now. And on my creative team, I used to have five copywriters. Okay? And guess what? How many copyritter do I have now?

0:17:34 - (Katya Hayley): Five.

0:17:34 - (Jeff J Hunter): One. I wasn't sure I have one copywriter that I really trust her. She's been great. She's been working for me for a long time. She actually works for other clients as well. She's incredible. But I want to bring up a point here. When you are absolutely amazingly skilled at something, and you bestow that knowledge on someone else, what happens in six to eight months? They say, wow, I've learned something really valuable, and I can charge someone else more for this, and they leave you.

0:18:05 - (Jeff J Hunter): Copywriters are definitely notorious for that. You hire a good social media copywriter, whatever. I hire somebody and I teach them how to do it, and they're like, oh, my God, this is amazing. And then, of course, especially since, you know, what I teach actually works, you know, they can get results for people, like, you know, how easy it is to sell social media, copyriting somebody like, hey, how would you like to get, like, 100 likes on your next post? I can do that for anybody.

0:18:28 - (Jeff J Hunter): So once I teach someone how to do that, they're gone. I don't have to worry about that with AI. I train the AI. That's my property. I don't have to worry about it trying to sell its knowledge to someone else. The only thing I'm worried about is, am I feeding the data to the AI? And is that AI being trained with my data set that I own? That's the ethical dilemma right there.

0:18:54 - (Katya Hayley): While you were saying this, you made me think of something too that I wanted to share when you. Our very first question that we talked about the authenticity and, like, the realness of it. So I just wanted to share something. How I use AI from a personal life for my marriage that I think actually helped me save my marriage in a way. He actually gave me that title. You know, you should talk about it this in this way.

0:19:17 - (Katya Hayley): But basically, you know, I was going through a hard time in our marriage with my husband, because we been working a lot. We're working together also separately. And as you may or may not know, I don't know. It could get hard to work together with the partner, live in the same house and building a business and living together and traveling together all time.

0:19:34 - (Jeff J Hunter): You can't.

0:19:35 - (Katya Hayley): I cannot fire.

0:19:37 - (Jeff J Hunter): You can't fire.

0:19:38 - (Tawni Nguyen): You can go to another room, but you can't.

0:19:40 - (Katya Hayley): This is the best you can do, right? And so I was, like, really, really sad about it. I'm like, I want to make this work. And, you know, I have coaches and things like that, but I'm like, let me just fuck around and find out, like, what can we, what can we do here? And so. And, you know, he is a great communicator. So he has expressed to me before, like, hey, I don't feel loved. Like, I don't feel, know, honored. And to me, I'm like, that's so random because I love him so much and I honor him.

0:20:08 - (Katya Hayley): And then we talked about five love languages, which I'm sure you guys know about, you know, and his love language is words of affirmation. And for me, paradoxically, it's the hardest thing to do because I didn't grow up in that. So it was very hard for me to communicate. You know, even those things that I love about him is just not natural. It's not authentic. So I went to Chgegbt and I said, hey, we're going through this, like, hard time in our marriage.

0:20:32 - (Katya Hayley): And here's my husband, Don. Here's everything I know about him. I uploaded his freaking astrology chart. I uploaded his human design appade or his enneagram. I said, this is his love language. He loves when I compliment his hair, like, you know, all the different subjective and objective things, by the way, everybody complime, his ha's insane. So. And what it gave me and my goal was that I wanted to make him feel loved and respected on a day to day basis because we're so busy. And like, you know, and it gave me this idea to write, to get sticky notes, get 100 of them or 365, there was. But I just made 100 baby steps, right?

0:21:12 - (Katya Hayley): And so it gave me even suggestions what to write on the sticky notes because it knows him. And so about half of it I took from CHBT. About half of them I just wrote down myself. It adusts me to put it in the jar next door sink in our bathroom, in our master bathroom bedroom. And I put it there and let me tell you. This dude was running every morning the first thing to that jar to get the sticky note and to read it, you know, and sometimes he would give it to me so I can read it to him. So it really comes from me, you know? I love you. Like, you are the best. You know, your smile is beautiful, like, whatever. Like, you know, and, oh, my God, like, it literally changed the entire dynamic of our relationship because of that small little thing that we might not think about.

0:22:01 - (Katya Hayley): But I was just curious. I was like, let me just see, like, what is it gonna do, you know? And it was just amazing. Like, I love that story because I know how much it impacted me in our relationship. And every time I tell about the story, he's like, well, where's my next jar?

0:22:14 - (Jeff J Hunter): Because that it's over, but actually have something they like. You have the nicest butt, you know.

0:22:20 - (Tawni Nguyen): I love you're slung.

0:22:22 - (Jeff J Hunter): Are they authentic? You know? Do you have to, like float it up a little bit? Like you have the biggest one, you know? Like, what's going on?

0:22:30 - (Katya Hayley): Well, that's where myy came from. And I'm like, let me add a couple things.

0:22:35 - (Jeff J Hunter): JGBT, x rated edition.

0:22:40 - (Tawni Nguyen): Sexbots and shit.

0:22:43 - (Katya Hayley): There's definitely lot. And talk about personal. Like, that was so personal. So personal. It literally saved, like, our relationship at that point of a relationship caus. I was just like, dude, I don't know what to do. Like, I love you, but you don't receive it, you know?

0:22:56 - (Tawni Nguyen): So I think we talked about this too during the exercise when Alex was like, hey, tell this person, like, how much you like them, or I don't remember what the act statement is. Yeah, like, fill them. Like, fill their cup.

0:23:08 - (Jeff J Hunter): Right?

0:23:08 - (Tawni Nguyen): And we were trying to share, like, words of affirmation with each other. And I, like, gave you a disclaimer. I'm like, hey, like, I have this praise king, but I can't receive compliments. I might give you a weird face or if I make jokes, which we dideah. And it's something that I still have to work on. It's the same thing with my partner and with chat TPT. I love that you can outsource it in a way to where it's still kind of like you're outsourcing a part of you that's like needing help. Kind of like feeding a therapist without going to therapy.

0:23:37 - (Tawni Nguyen): That would be like the next step.

0:23:38 - (Katya Hayley): Which leads me, can I just add on something? Because I have background and NLPM' passion and so passionate about personal development because I have overcome so many challenges and I'm still yet growing and healing, but I love to see the change and I love to understand how we as humans operate our brains and all these things. So what I actually did after that, because that exactly where my mind went, I was like, hold up, if this is just one thing that I can do, what can I do with all of my NLP knowledge and all my coaching experience and all the frameworks that I learned about.

0:24:10 - (Katya Hayley): And I wented to trgegbt and I programmed it to be my NLP coach, like my own coach because it doesn't have a bias. Because still, like if you go to coaches, they have their own model of the world and they can still give you the subjective, like, you know, advice that unsolicited sometimes, you know. With chabt I found out it was great, uploaded my astrological chart and I was working on specific aspect of my chart, which is like my feminine wounds or whatever.

0:24:37 - (Katya Hayley): Dude, I found myself bling 3 hours later talking to Chegbt as I was healing through my wounds with my mom because it asked me all these questions that I never even thought of, you know, it's all about the quality of the questions.

0:24:52 - (Jeff J Hunter): See how that tied into what I was saying? Cause now you can have a private conversation, 100% right without the guilt and the judgment from a human emotions and bias.

0:25:01 - (Katya Hayley): And it was a release. Release. Because that's when we let go. Things when they come to the awareness is when you let them go and doesn't affect you any longer. It doesn't weigh you down anymore. But the fact that I was having a conversation with a computer that knew exactly what was happening and asked me these questions that like we talked earlier is like quality of the questions that you asked is going to determine the quality of the output or the quality of your life that you live. Because if you ask yourself shitty questions, you're going to get shitty results, you know, and sometimes we don't know what questions to ask ourselves. And this is where like trabt ask me some profound questions that I was able to really work through a lot.

0:25:39 - (Jeff J Hunter): Can we go deep on that for a second?

0:25:40 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, let's.

0:25:40 - (Jeff J Hunter): That I want to go deeper on that for a second because intrapersonally, from what AI can do from a therapy standpoint of just like having that, and by the way, people say it's unbiased, it's like, no, it's biased and you can train it to be biased and whatever you want, except you can't make it like Trump, but you can train on pretty much, but the thing is, when it comes to having that conversation, actually, I'm going to take this. I'm going to chop this clip right here. I'm going to look at the camera right now. I'm going to say, yo, Michelle D. Hit me up.

0:26:17 - (Jeff J Hunter): Like, Michelle D, former Miss Universe lover to death. She's amazing. I spoke to her when I was in the Philippines last. I thought about how this could not only work for us regular, capacity filled humans, but also think about the people with disabilities that have anxiety, that have these problems. Michelle D. Has a huge purpose for people that suffer from different stages of autism and things like that.

0:26:42 - (Jeff J Hunter): Think about people who have a hard time communicating with other humans.

0:26:45 - (Katya Hayley): Oh, my God.

0:26:46 - (Jeff J Hunter): That have a hard time with communicating with other people and how much that could actually help them, even if they use the voice. Chat on chat, TBT. Just communicating back and forth with AI to get better skills at actually educating. And if we created a bot that could. Where they could talk back and forth to it, and it would literally say, hey, you should probably do this next time. Here's a different way you can say it. Hey, you shouldn't talk about that.

0:27:13 - (Jeff J Hunter): This might hurt somebody's feelings. Like, people that are. Think about people that have a hard time socially, like, understanding how to communicate with people, because you. This is something I respect a lot about you, Tani, is that you are a very good communicator. I remember the very first time I met you, I knew we were gonna be friends. She said something very inappropriate, which I't.

0:27:35 - (Katya Hayley): Wow, what a surprise.

0:27:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): A surprise.

0:27:37 - (Jeff J Hunter): Surprise. Surprise.

0:27:39 - (Katya Hayley): Surise surprise.

0:27:39 - (Jeff J Hunter): Buta was very inrobrriiate. But I was mentioning something about her contacts that she had, and she was like, oh, my God. She said something very inappropriate about me.

0:27:49 - (Tawni Nguyen): We can say it, you know? So the context to that is when he was like, oh, you have, like, really pretty eyes. I was like, oh, wow. Like, you actually looked at my eyes, and he was like, yeah. I was like, what do you want me to look at? Like, your dick. Immediately.

0:28:02 - (Jeff J Hunter): I was like, oh, that was the firstversation we had. Like, anyway, but, like, I knew. I was like, okay, she gets it. Like, even. Even my wife in the car ride, you know, when we first.

0:28:16 - (Katya Hayley): Oh, my go. Your wife was there?

0:28:17 - (Jeff J Hunter): Oh, yeah. Not the first time I met her, no, but my first. My wife meeting you for the first time, I was like, oh, my God. I was like, I hope Tany's not gonna. I hope this. Hope my wife is going toa survive this. I hope this is good, you know, and Ty picks this up, and we're already late. She's kind of piss st in a way, and she's like, dud, what the heck?

0:28:35 - (Tawni Nguyen): You know?

0:28:35 - (Jeff J Hunter): Because my wife hit a jackpot on a machine, so we're, like, five minutes late. Like, my wife literally want sa is.

0:28:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): Like, hanging out in the car. Yeah.

0:28:42 - (Jeff J Hunter): Like, they're waiting for us. And my wife's like, I don't know, she won, like, 28 free spins. And, you know, we're waiting for the 28 free spins, and she's out there waiting in the car. And then, Ty, we get in the car, tony's like, this amazing. Like, it was like a man burp. It was like, it has some girth to it.

0:28:58 - (Tawni Nguyen): Do you have to justify me, man?

0:29:00 - (Jeff J Hunter): You.

0:29:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Why do you gott. What does that thing call pronouns? What can walkit?

0:29:08 - (Jeff J Hunter): The point is that you're amazing at communication. You are amazing at communication, and you work really hard on it. For me, I was a huge introvert growing up, and, like, I had to work on myself. It's so funny because when I speak on stage and people are like, wow, jeff, you're such a natural. You're such a natural. I'm just, like, laughing inside because I'm like, dude, there's nothing natural about that. Like, I've had to work so hard on it.

0:29:28 - (Katya Hayley): You did, but you are natural because you're really.

0:29:31 - (Jeff J Hunter): Well, now it comes. Now it's natural. But it wasn't there. Right? But the point is that think about all the applications that we can use AI to use to develop our own skills. And just, like, skills. Like, most people think about using AI to, like, hey, it can do my resume. Hey, it can do my content marketing, but think about how we can actually, on a deeper level, help us, develop us ourselves, personal development.

0:29:58 - (Tawni Nguyen): What I loved when you brought that up, and I kind of went off on this tangent, too, is one is great for introverts because I'm also introverted just because I carry myself a certain way. Like, I'm very secure in my character as a human being. That's why I can relate and connect to other people authentically. It's because I'm not afraid to show up as who I am. And there's such, there's a light that's missing in this world in between each other and human connection, is that we think we have to be somebody else in order to be liked, and therefore we feel such a lack of fulfillment. And I think using AI to work on ourselves, especially if we're at home and using it, I'm gonna come, like, at you in the street, right? Cause I grew up in the streets. And what's the number one rule in drug dealings? It, like, never get high in your own supply.

0:30:37 - (Tawni Nguyen): These people are just getting high in their supply because they're so dependent on it. They're creating a product that they cannot live without. But instead, look at us like we're innovating. How do we use that and do the internal work of actually becoming a better person, a better human being so we can show up in this conversation for each other while we make dick jokes while we fucking. You know what I mean?

0:30:57 - (Jeff J Hunter): I'm laughing because. I'm laughing because you made me think about, well, I always know. I always think about that noeff my problem. So, because I use AI so much and, like, there's people, like, if, if you guys find me on social media, like on Facebook and stuff, like, I actually have, like, at the end, I'll even put, like, if it was written by AI or not because people don't know. And then sometimes I'll say, this's written by AI. And people will be like, you're full of it. No way. AI wrote that. You, like, they have arguments over, you know, like, someone literally called me. I was like, no, dude, you're hella Shady. You're writing this stuff and then passing it off as AI to make you look good. I'm like, dude, serself.

0:31:34 - (Katya Hayley): My God. Wow. That's even better, though.

0:31:36 - (Jeff J Hunter): Compliment, though. Yeah, that was. Yeah. But anyway, one time it backfired because I wrot I spent like 30 minutes writing my wife an entire essay of a message. She was going through some stuff and I was trying to console her and stuff, and I wrote her this long message. It was probably like a thousand word message presenter on SMS, old school. So it probably came in eight differents. My old man, relax.

0:32:01 - (Jeff J Hunter): But the crazy part was that afterwards she put dot, dot, dot, and she says, wow, now you're using the AI to write to me. And I was like, wow, you know what? That totally backfired because I actually spent like 30 minutes writing it. And she thought AI did it. She's like, no way my husband would actually do something like that. I'm like, mind. I was like, o. So I had to rethink about that. It goes back to what you said earlier about that authenticity piece.

0:32:26 - (Jeff J Hunter): If people think that you are using AI, you've lost. You've lost it already. Unless you specifically are saying, hey, I'm using AI to do this or whatever. Like, you have to be very careful what you use AI on, because it will change perception people have about you. That's the deepness.

0:32:45 - (Tawni Nguyen): What I wanted to touch on, since we mentioned Dick on the piece of content we did the other day on accident with Flavo. Right. And it's just funny that we didn't catch that. And I feel like a lot of those times, like, candid content actually makes real content, because now that's what people want. They want the behind the scenes, not people pretending it's behind the scenes, but the real shit. And there's not enough of it because everyone always care about going viral, and they're pretending to be funny. Like they're trying too hard and they're trying to be funny. They're trying to do all of these things, trying to catch the trend. They're trying to say something that will go viral.

0:33:21 - (Tawni Nguyen): And that, for me, that metric is still. It gives me a little ick, right. Just to enter the space thinking like, you're hoping and you're banking, you're wishing and praying this piece of content will go viral, and you're sacrificing true authenticity. It's like, why don't you just make the content create the art? Because you are the artist. You should say what you want to say and speak your truth, and whoever it aligns with. And if it does, that's your people.

0:33:47 - (Tawni Nguyen): Not to reach a million people, but none of them will be your people, because at the same time, it comes down to conversion. So when we were talking about how I was in the background, what did we say?

0:33:55 - (Katya Hayley): It was like, well, Jeff was eating a really big burger, and he was his meh. Take a bh.

0:34:01 - (Jeff J Hunter): I have a really small mouth, guys. I've had eight teeth removed. I had eight teeth removed from my mouth. And even there's like, people are like, oh, you have teeth? Yeah, because you can never see them when I talk. Cause my mouth is so small, you know, like, you get to see, like, three teeth. You know what I mean? Like, I could literally remove every tooth in my mouth except for my front fl, and you would never know that I don't have teeth.

0:34:21 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's a little traumatizing. I need to cal my therapist after this.

0:34:24 - (Katya Hayley): Like.

0:34:25 - (Jeff J Hunter): But anyway, I get make fun of that all the time. I get made fun of for my little tiny mouth all the time. So I'm trying to eat this big mushroom burger, and as I'm taking it, she's trying to shoot a commercial. She's like, hey, look, let's shoot a commercial for flavo. Because they sponsored the event. He made some badass.

0:34:42 - (Tawni Nguyen): It was so good.

0:34:43 - (Jeff J Hunter): Sandwiches and vegetarian things. And I was like. And I went to take a bite, and I was just, like, struggling with my tiny mouth. I'm like, you know, I had to, like, dislocate my jaw to fit that thing there. And then all of a sudden, this one looks over, and I'm notnna say it. Cause I'm, you know, good.

0:34:59 - (Tawni Nguyen): I'm trying to be pg, okay?

0:35:00 - (Jeff J Hunter): I'm a good guy.

0:35:01 - (Tawni Nguyen): I was like, dude, I've seen you suck dick bigger than that.

0:35:04 - (Katya Hayley): And it was so small and so witty. It was just, like, right there that most people probably wouldn't even catch it, really? Cause it just was so fast. But when I hear it again, like, I was just like, wow, you sent.

0:35:16 - (Jeff J Hunter): It over to the owner.

0:35:17 - (Katya Hayley): You sent it to the owner, and.

0:35:18 - (Jeff J Hunter): You were like, wait a second. I don't remember her saying that. And it's like, the opening thing. It's the opening scene.

0:35:24 - (Katya Hayley): Literally the first and the 32nd.

0:35:26 - (Jeff J Hunter): But the reality is, this is the thing that I've learned. I've gone viral on social media, on almost every platform. Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn. I'm good at getting attention on these platforms. And the funniest part is, I spent tens of thousands of dollars on video production and all these things that look good, and I'm like, okay, this is the one. And the ones that go viral are always the ones that are shot on my shitty cell phone, unprepared, bad lighting, but a funny idea. And typically, it will be something that people are thinking and they want to say it, but they just haven't said it, or they're afraid to say it.

0:36:04 - (Jeff J Hunter): So, for example, the most viral video I've ever made in my entire life was a TikTok reply to a comment that was trolling me. So I have. I love gaming. I would even say that I suffer from a gaming addiction that I have under control. I haven't game for, like, almost a week now. But Scott Oldford, he did message me, and he said, are you coming back tonight? Are we gaming tonight? You know? So what happened is I have this giant $13,000 gaming rig, and it's badass. I call it. It's a gaming cockpit, really.

0:36:37 - (Jeff J Hunter): It's zero gravity. Like, it has a 50 inch screen. It literally, you press a button, it brings out the feet recliners, and you go back in the chair. And I was posting a video about it, and that video did okay. The one that I had highly produced about the chair. I had the videographer come over. It did okay. It got maybe like 10,000 views or something. And people were like, whoa, that's really cool. Which was the purpose of me buying the thing.

0:37:05 - (Jeff J Hunter): I bought the gaming cockpit thing for like almost $5,000. And then I had to buy a big computer and screen whatever. So all in it was about $13,000. What's wild is that I did all this time trying to promote it. Like, hey, this is cool. I got 10,000, 20,000 views. Somebody commented on my thing. And this was right around the time when George Floyd got killed, and he was already killed. And somebody commented on one of my highly produced videos and said, imagine spending $10,000 on a gaming rig and still being bad.

0:37:42 - (Jeff J Hunter): And I was like, that was funny. And actually, I could tell by the amount of likes that he got on the post and the name, the real George Floyd. I was like, this guy is a troll. He's the ultimate troll. So this is when TikTok just added in the whole TikTok video reply. So I clicked on reply with video. It had the comment overlay over the video. And all I did was set up a stupid, like, dollar five Amazon tripod. And I put my phone on it and I hit the record button with a 15 2nd countdown timer.

0:38:14 - (Jeff J Hunter): And I found the funniest audio. There was an audio of a guy who was walking down a hallway and he was like, you know, now that I'm on my own and I have adult money, I can buy anything I want, which means I end up buying shit like this. And then he lifts the phone up and there's a shower curtain with a dinosaur riding a bicycle. And above it has the word bitches. It's just like completely random, right? And I was like, in my mind, I was like, you know what? That could totally work for what I'm doing.

0:38:43 - (Jeff J Hunter): So all I did was respond to his comment and I sat in the chair and all I did was go into zero gravity mode while that audio is playing in the background. And I got 19 million views on that video. 2 million likes. But that's not even the best part. My gaming chair is completely branded with my Savage marketer brand. It has Savage marketer all over it. Savage marketer has Savage marketer. Sure. Like, I was completely branded when that went viral and it got stolen.

0:39:10 - (Jeff J Hunter): My video got stolen. It got reposted on pub publicity, it got reposted on hoodvds. It got reposted on nine gag. I was a meme. I was the most popular video on TikTok in September. I think it was, like, September 20 and 21st of, like, 2021 or something like that. And I got 130,000 followers. Wow. So now, why am I saying this? Because it's never the thing that you think it's going to be, well, at least in my case.

0:39:40 - (Jeff J Hunter): And secondly, it shows the value of actually using the negative troll energy, because guess what? A lot of the reason why that was a troll was because people were, a, they were intrigued by my video, and B, a lot of them were responding back to that guy. And number three, they were like, dude, this guy's name is real, George Floyd. Like, he's obviously a troll. So a lot of the comments on there were, like, this guy's obviously trolling. A lot of them were like, no, dude, you got a great setup. And the other people were agreeing with the guy saying, yeah, dude, you're shit.

0:40:06 - (Jeff J Hunter): So, like, you want to make your content a conversational piece. That's how you go viral.

0:40:13 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. I love what you said about using negative troll energy, because what we use in energy world is, like, we love transmuting, right? You can't really alchemize anything if you are unable to see that dark energy and bring it into light, because that could have just easily destroyed your ego. If you were a person that take takes pride in that. And if you had a little fragile eagle, you'd be like, oh, my gaming chair. Oh, like, I'm scared now, you know?

0:40:36 - (Jeff J Hunter): But you're not, because feed on the tiers of trolls.

0:40:40 - (Tawni Nguyen): Exactly.

0:40:40 - (Jeff J Hunter): I love it. The energy of trolls, it just makes me. I love it. And you know what? I have to give credit to one of my mentors who told me, like, if you don't have haters, if you don't have trolls, you are not working hard enough. Like, you are not doing big enough things.

0:40:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): Why are people so afraid of trolls, especially when they want to go viral? Is there, like, a mental preparation that you have to prepare for? Because there is love theres. And for me, I think in the space of being a creative, it's either you're going toa be liked, or you'ren toa be loved, or, no, sorry, you're gonna be loved, or you're gon toa be hated. Right. And there's nothing in between. And I think there's a safe space in between that people are so afraid to be themselves because they're so afraid to be hated.

0:41:18 - (Tawni Nguyen): But the question really comes down to, like, do you want to be loved for who you're pretending to be or actually hate it for who you are, because those are obviously not your people. And I think that's even more raw for people to start unfollowing people. That's the boldus thing you can do to live your life and clear your energy. Because when you know someone's not for you, why do you keep following them?

0:41:35 - (Tawni Nguyen): You're asking for it. You're asking for your own suffering. You're asking to be triggered. But when you watch other people's content, when you get triggered, it's just an invitation to look at the part of yourself that gets triggered by a certain messaging or a certain video. Like, is that the gaming chair that that guy wants?

0:41:49 - (Jeff J Hunter): Katya said something, something to me last night, which was hilarious. So Kati and I, we've been friends for a while, but the funny part is we totally are just like a WhatsApp, Instagram, fam. And because she's so young, she's not even on Facebook. She barely has a Facebook presence. And I was like, hey. She's like, hey, I think I tried to add you as a friend. And I'm like, oh my gosh, my friends list has been full for five years.

0:42:12 - (Jeff J Hunter): I have 5000 friends. I know everybody on that list. I have a couple of family members that have passed away, a couple friends. But I'm like, I don't want to be that guy to delete them from my friends list. So my friends list is full. And Katya yesterday tried to add me and it was like, jeff, I can't even add, choose a friend. You're fool. I was like, h, okay, I got toa delete a friend for you. Now. Katya said something that was very interesting.

0:42:36 - (Jeff J Hunter): Part of it is because she knows my brand, but she goes, well, it's time for you to create a post to make people unfollow you, right? It was time. So maybe you want to talk about that. Like, what does that mean? Is it important? Do you believe it's super important to repel the people that shouldn't be in your network?

0:42:56 - (Katya Hayley): The way I look at it is what you said earlier. Actually, you said people pretend or try to fit in, in a specific title or a specific lane because they want to be liked in real life, right? First of all, and online has even worse. But to me, I really got over the fact because first of all, like, my upbringing was pretty rough. Like I was stuttering my entire childhood. I was bullied a lot. I have very dry skin on my hand. So I was just like bullied a lot. And that built a lot of the resilience, and I've heard very many mean jokes towards me and stuff like that. So I think, for me personally, from my own experience, I just. Just really don't take shit personally, because it's not because of me what they're saying, it's because of them and how they perceive the world. So when I started my personal development journey, really is, I realized the importance of time you spend in your head thinking about someone that doesn might not like you or don't accept you and stuff like that, that you can get real spirally, you know? And I've been there, and I just choose not to do that. And, yeah, on social media sometime, like, I do have a beautiful life, and I'm also going through a lot of challenges personally. I choose to maybe not show every single part of that, and that's something that I'm actually inspired by. Seeing other people when they show the vulnerable parts, is because that I connect with them on a whole new level. When I see, like, oh, yeah, I'm thinking they all got it together, but then I. I'm seeing, like, they're going through challenges is when I personally connect.

0:44:35 - (Katya Hayley): But to me, social media is not that important. Is that. In that sense, I like the personal connection. Like we said at that event, and you shared something, you know, what your last year has been like, and that really resonated with me because I've been through the same thing, but I choose not to talk about it. So when it comes to haters and all of that, dude, I think the same way you just said, if something triggers you, that's, like, literally an invitation or a sign for you to look within and look. I catch myself sometimes judging other women, and I'm open. I'm okay with saying that is because I take full responsibilities, because there's parts that I probably haven't accepted of myself, or maybe I was ashamed of that. That's why, like, I might have those thoughts, but I'm very aware of my thoughts, and I pay attention, what comes to me and how I internalize it, you know? So, sure, like, it might be unpleasant when people talk shit, but I'm like, what is I gonna do? Am I gonna remember you in a year?

0:45:31 - (Katya Hayley): Probably not. Are you gonna change my life? Probably not. So why would I waste my time?

0:45:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, I think that comes with age. Like, the older you get, the more mental clarity you have for yourself, and you only want to focus that energy for yourself and for your important relationships, like, our intimate relationships. And growing up, like, I did lose a lot of that focus, and I put other people's opinion on the pedestal, being a people pleaser'like. If I like this, no one's gonna like this.

0:45:57 - (Tawni Nguyen): If I do this, then it's a. It's a family guilt and shame that I carry as an asian woman when I dropped out of college and all of this stuff, right? And getting bullied and all of that carried with me. And we don't talk about how childhood bullying, especially as a girl, like, takes a toll on you mentally. And when you grow up, you kind of fuck up your sense of self, your identity, yourself or yourself now.

0:46:21 - (Jeff J Hunter): I was also bullied. Yeah, I was also bullied. Believe it or not, I was always super short.

0:46:27 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, look at your d there or what?

0:46:30 - (Jeff J Hunter): No, I just had this really weird growthh spurt in the 8th grade. Like, the summer. From 8th grade into freshman year, I went from, like five foot six to six foot in, like, a summer. I grew, like six inches. Like, my left kneecap dislocates all the time because the tendon you. It's like, it got stretched out, basically, but, like, it was like a transformation for me. And, you know, I had a really, my 8th grade year, I had braces and the worst acne ever.

0:46:56 - (Jeff J Hunter): And my. My honestly, my self esteem was this low. Like, even going back to the types of women that I dated or girls back then, I was like, what the heck? Like, I see somebody on my Facebook, like, oh, my God, I thought she was cute, you know, and like, hey, I'm just being real, you know, it's like. And it's like, wow, you know? And, like, I think, by the way, I just want to put out. That's one of the reasons why I love you guys is because you guys are so awesome and so beautiful. But, like, you guys had so many things that you went through as a kid because most of the time in America, when you meet really beautiful women, they have very ugly hearts and you guys don't, you know, I just want to put that out there. I love you both.

0:47:35 - (Tawni Nguyen): Thank you for acknowledging that.

0:47:37 - (Katya Hayley): Yeahnn make a good joke.

0:47:39 - (Jeff J Hunter): But I do want to stand up for men. They get bullied. I'm just thrown it out there. It crushes you. Like, I had, the reason why I was introverted probably was just because I was so used to getting made fun of, you know, were. And, like, when I went into sports and things, I started getting more self esteem and you, and I was a swimmer, too, so I started getting the tan and starteding to get the swimmer bo and I started, oh, like, girls are actually attracted to me.

0:48:01 - (Jeff J Hunter): That was like a huge thing. And I feel like there's a lot of people world in this world, especially men who never get looked at, like, wow, he's attractive, know, and, you know, like, it's something that, you know, and by the way, I just want to also give you guys credit. I know that women have a lot harder time on that attractiveness stuff. Like, dudes, like, I don't wear makeup. You know, you guys are trying to, you trying to show up you as you and, you know, it's like, it's nutty to me, just how society works. And, you know, I just want to acnowledge that.

0:48:32 - (Katya Hayley): Yeah, no, the self worth thing is, like, real, for sure. Especially when you're growing up with adversities like that. Like, to me, I was sharing that with Jeff yesterday'my. Self esteem and confidence came when I came to the US. And I came here when I was 18 years old. Like, I had nowhere close the level of confidence and self worth and self love that I have now for myself then it was like, non existent because I literally bu my entire identity around the fact that I couldn't express myself clearly.

0:49:03 - (Katya Hayley): Nobody wants to hear what I have to say, you know, nobody's gonna ever touch my hands, you know, like stuff. And guess what? In America, everybody loves to, I'm a horrible friend. Shake hands.

0:49:14 - (Jeff J Hunter): I'm a horle.

0:49:15 - (Tawni Nguyen): Right now it'getting fine.

0:49:16 - (Katya Hayley): No, it's all good.

0:49:18 - (Jeff J Hunter): When I first, I just think it's fair. It's fair because I think, like, people listening in probably don't understand what you've gone through, but you obviously, she, you know, earlier when you were talking about when people say things, I even thought of a horrible friend joke. I was going to say, so that means you got to grow thick skin, literally.

0:49:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): Oh, that's good.

0:49:42 - (Jeff J Hunter): That's a good one.

0:49:43 - (Katya Hayley): That's good.

0:49:43 - (Tawni Nguyen): Because when you said, like, you grew six inches, I'm like, vertically or horizontally.

0:49:47 - (Jeff J Hunter): Or I grew, I grew six inches vertically in 8th grade. And then when I turned 40, it was like o, it was horizontal orbitalr or what I grew in circumference. That's a good one. See, but that's the thing. And gross each other and like, Katya is so amazing and it's so crazy because we all have our own self doubt. And that's the point I want to bring up, by the way, is that anybody who looks at Katya would never think that she would have self doubt, that she.

0:50:20 - (Jeff J Hunter): It's so crazy. Like, when I met you, I was like, oh, my God, she's so incredible and whatever. And. And you seem so confident. Everything. And then when I get to know you him, I'm like, oh, wow. She's just like me. Same with you. Like, oh, wow, we have so much in common.

0:50:34 - (Katya Hayley): But the power of sharing, that is where it's at. Because people would never know. They't to cut you off.

0:50:40 - (Jeff J Hunter): No, that's it. That's exactly my point, is that you would never know. And it goes back to also what you were saying about being vulnerable and sharing that authenticity. And, like, you know, when you are able to be vulnerable, it also does a service to the world because you're sharing. When I share my story about how I got ripped off by a client who stole 47 of my team members, I got poached by a massive client.

0:51:08 - (Jeff J Hunter): It was very painful. A million dollars a year. I lost in revenue. Just like it was super painful. And not to mention, the worst part about getting screwed over like that is that you actually start thinking about yourself. You're sel examining yourself, like, wow, how did that happen to me? Why would someone do that to me? Was I. Is this time for a break?

0:51:27 - (Katya Hayley): Moscow meansry.

0:51:28 - (Tawni Nguyen): I'm a little thirsty. Look, no, I don't want to interrupt. You have to break my damn n.

0:51:33 - (Jeff J Hunter): Can we do this?

0:51:34 - (Katya Hayley): We'renna stop right here.

0:51:35 - (Jeff J Hunter): We're gonna do a little shout out. Let me see. Where's my camera?

0:51:37 - (Katya Hayley): There is.

0:51:38 - (Jeff J Hunter): There's my camera right there. All right. We have the low tail libations. Moscow mule. It's a mocktail.

0:51:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): It's for you.

0:51:49 - (Jeff J Hunter): Zero proof. I'm gonna try it out. I'm gonna try it out. I actually love Moscow mule.

0:51:53 - (Katya Hayley): That.

0:51:53 - (Jeff J Hunter): That's my go toe min even just cracking it open, the little tiny crack here I can smell.

0:52:01 - (Tawni Nguyen): Smells like the old fashioned.

0:52:02 - (Jeff J Hunter): That's right.

0:52:03 - (Tawni Nguyen): Now, it's not as cold. No, but I love the.

0:52:07 - (Jeff J Hunter): That tastes. That tastes.

0:52:09 - (Tawni Nguyen): The whole transparency. That's the other word, right? It's with AI. I don't feel like other people can be as transparent because now they haveers to hide under in social media. Because now they're like, oh, if they didn't like this version of me making posts before, it's like plastic surgery for fucking social media. Like, digital Personas, everyoneic surgery and shit. D. It's like all these filters and all these apps and all these, like, pictures that's not even them anymore.

0:52:39 - (Jeff J Hunter): I have a friend.

0:52:40 - (Tawni Nguyen): That fucking crazyucking fish catfish.

0:52:44 - (Jeff J Hunter): I have one of my friends. And, like, literally, she postsed the most outrageously AI modified things. And then I literally brought one of my friends to meet her. And when I introduced, I was like, hey, this is my friend name I won't mention. And he was just like, he was like, really? You're that person? Ohike, like, he didn't say that out loud. He was just, afterwards, he was like, yo, what the hell?

0:53:11 - (Jeff J Hunter): You know? Like, doesn't even look anything like her. And, you know, I feel like that's the same thing that's happening. Not just for pictures and stuff, but just like, AI in general. Like, people can tell. Yeah, people can tell. You got to dial it in. You know, like, for me, when I use the face app, I just used the silky feature.

0:53:27 - (Tawni Nguyen): You do what'the?

0:53:29 - (Jeff J Hunter): Silky feature. Because, you know, I don't wear makeup, so sometimes I'll have, like, color splotches, like red little he. Because I'm white and, you know, and of course I'm bald, right? So, like, it's a double. Wh surpr. It'a double. Why? Surprise. Just blinded me. Even yesterday when we were having dinner, one of the people, I took my hat off and they were like, whoa, you're bald.

0:53:51 - (Katya Hayley): How many times did you get that? I feel for time.

0:53:55 - (Jeff J Hunter): The funniest thing for me is, like, because I'm trying to, like, look a little skinnier on the camera. So, so when I'm at my studio, I got my cameras mounted above me, so I get that extra 1020 pounds.

0:54:06 - (Katya Hayley): Off, you know, that's good.

0:54:07 - (Jeff J Hunter): It missed that jaw a little better. And the funniest part is because the camera'aiming down at me, like, I look a little shorter on camera. So when I see people in person, they always go, oh, you are much bigger than I thought.

0:54:22 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's what she said.

0:54:24 - (Jeff J Hunter): And of course I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm pretty fat. And they're like, no, no, I meant tall. You're very much taller than I thought you were.

0:54:30 - (Katya Hayley): I'm like, sure, yeah, no, same.

0:54:33 - (Tawni Nguyen): I.

0:54:33 - (Katya Hayley): When I saw, I was like, wow, you're a big dude, Tal.

0:54:36 - (Jeff J Hunter): Oh, just tall. Okayeah.

0:54:38 - (Tawni Nguyen): Don't inflate his ego. His'fucking mu.

0:54:40 - (Katya Hayley): What the fuck?

0:54:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): No, that's why I kind of love the curiosity in meeting people online. Cause just by looking at your social media, sometimes I'm like, I don't want to fucking be friends with this person. But if you were to tell me, hey, you've got to meet her, that, to me, means more than like me. Just like, scrolling and looking for peopleuse they're like, oh, like, just go look at this person. Would you want to work with them? I'm like, I don't give a fuck what their social media looks like.

0:55:08 - (Tawni Nguyen): And I'm pretty sure people are judging us by our social media total. That's fucking okay, dude.

0:55:12 - (Jeff J Hunter): Okay, let me just say one last thing.

0:55:14 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah.

0:55:15 - (Jeff J Hunter): People have a completely separate identity online than offline. That bothers me. Like, when you're like, oh, they show up for me, I consider myself a Christian. You know, I'm a little foul mouthed here and there, you know, but, like, even my AI knows how I roll. It'll say some pretty raunched things. Like, I don't usually cuss per se, but on my social media post, I will use the poop emoji.

0:55:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): Ooh, bad. Is that as bad as it gets?

0:55:46 - (Jeff J Hunter): It.

0:55:46 - (Tawni Nguyen): Calm down.

0:55:47 - (Jeff J Hunter): Hold on.

0:55:48 - (Katya Hayley): Hold on down. Jeff.

0:55:51 - (Jeff J Hunter): Let me explain what badass. I use the poop emoji. I use the poop emoji to insinuate the word shit. Okay? Like, yo, you won't believe this poop emoji, right? So, like, I want to implant that into people's head, right? I'm using it in a polite way, but people know what I mean, right? And the crazy part is, is when I show up and I'm like, oh, man, you want to hear some crazy shit? But, you know, like, when I say that, like, people know that who I am online is who I am offline.

0:56:21 - (Katya Hayley): That's the point for sure.

0:56:23 - (Jeff J Hunter): And then, like, like, for you, you're the same online as you are offline. You are.

0:56:28 - (Katya Hayley): You get canceled. I don't know if you.

0:56:32 - (Jeff J Hunter): Okay, she's a little bit more extreme. Offline's a little more extreme. Offline. But, yeah, but. But, you know, she's also in real estate, you know, but the thing is, you know, going back to what you were, you were kind of his to me earlier with the post. Like, I think that how you build your brand online is super important because you want to bring the people into the, like, you guys are hella cool.

0:56:53 - (Jeff J Hunter): We're going to do cool stuff together. But at the same time, you also want to repel the people. Like, the people that would get offended if I said some crazy shit. Well, you're not going to enjoy a conversation with me and you can unfriend me. So that's what I think is important. I think right now, especially just like what you said, if I wanted to make everybody happy, I wouldn't be doing what I do. I'd sell ice cream or something.

0:57:16 - (Jeff J Hunter): That's why it's super important that we actually genuinely, and by the way, I don't mean to be like an asshole, but you want to be polarizing in a good positive way. A positive way that, like, there we go. Let's use it literally. Like, you are a positive magnet o and you want to repel the negative people that you don't think are going to work. Well, technically, I would be the negative magnet and I'm going to repel the negative people oay out there.

0:57:44 - (Jeff J Hunter): Right. So I want to keep the positive people in my life. And we got to think of it that way. Like, we want to build the network and the community of people that I don't want to. By the way, I'm not saying like minded. Like, I don't want everybody to believe everything that I believe. I believe everybody should have their own beliefs. But one thing's a no brainer for me. I want people in my network that will respect my opinions even if they aren't the same.

0:58:09 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yes, yes. That I love that you brought.

0:58:13 - (Jeff J Hunter): I respect your opinion even if, if you don't the same. If you're, if you will, if everyone needs to be themselves around me and they have to be okay with everyone else. Now you got toa be ready for some debate if you abso.

0:58:28 - (Katya Hayley): So muchit. But, like, we agree that we disagree and we move on.

0:58:33 - (Tawni Nguyen): You have a chamber of sh, like.

0:58:36 - (Jeff J Hunter): If youeah, if you have a certain viewpoint, like, I disagree with you, you, I'm gonna, I might say something and I even might make fun of your position, whatever. And you, you f, do it.

0:58:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): Let me challenge you. Respectly.

0:58:50 - (Jeff J Hunter): Exactly. I expect you to come back and tell me why you, why you think that way.

0:58:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): If you can't fight with your friends, they're not really your friends because your fragile eagle is way too much. And, like, you just care too much about what their opinion of you and you're doing it catering to their sensitivity bias of what they, you think they think about you.

0:59:08 - (Jeff J Hunter): Yeah.

0:59:08 - (Tawni Nguyen): If you care more about that than living in your truth, then they're not really your friend.

0:59:11 - (Jeff J Hunter): Do you remember when you used to tell a funny sexist and racist joke and people would just laugh?

0:59:17 - (Katya Hayley): Yeah.

0:59:18 - (Jeff J Hunter): Do remember that'the same anymore.

0:59:19 - (Katya Hayley): People get offended so fast nowadays and it's bothering me.

0:59:24 - (Tawni Nguyen): Like, this is why I don't go.

0:59:26 - (Katya Hayley): Out.

0:59:30 - (Jeff J Hunter): The days of, like, I'm just thinking about all the comedians that got canceled. You know, it's like, it's messed up because, like, you used to be able to just tell a joke and people laugh, and it's like, you know, that you obviously aren't a hateful person. You just thought it was funny.

0:59:42 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. Now people are afraid to laugh because they don't want to associate with that joke because now other people can see what kind of content or what kind of thing is funny to them because now everyone cares too much about that, you know?

0:59:57 - (Katya Hayley): Totally.

0:59:58 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah.

1:00:00 - (Jeff J Hunter): Okay.

1:00:01 - (Tawni Nguyen): I'm just, like, kind of, like, deep in that thought right now. Because when you brought up like minded, that was almost triggering. Because now anyone that goes out networking is like, look for like minded people don't like, your net worth is your network. I'm like, everyone can tell you they want to do business with you, but are they truly gon toa show up and actually do? Because Vegas is the same thing.

1:00:17 - (Tawni Nguyen): A lot of the networking is very transactional around here. People say they want to make money with you. People say they got you. And all this stuff. It's all fucking fluff. And it's like, sure, it's nice, give me your card. And then it how they return that, it's like, doud. They actually show up for you. You know what I mean? And I think integrity in business creates a lot more impact than people just saying they want to do shit with.

1:00:40 - (Jeff J Hunter): Costi literally told me, like, four days ago that she was hosting an event here with her, with Daw, her husband. And I was like, you know what? Yeah, I'm there. You know, because while we're there, we're go going toa record content because we actually had stuff to do. So I'm always looking at how can I support my people? How can I bring them in the fold? And, like, I want to see everybody win. And, you know, like, I know. Not to be cliche, the whole idea of the tide raises all the boats, right? It's like, that's the idea of it all, but at the same time, like, it's crazy because the cultures that I'm seeing, and not just in America, but around the world, it's like, it's not like that anymore. Like, we were just talking to the founder of the flavorico. So shout out to my guy over there, Ruben o. I didn't want to say his name. Dang, he might not liked me. Now if he gets called out on this, because I I'm going to say something. He said he was talking about where he's from in Mexico.

1:01:35 - (Jeff J Hunter): They had a ranch. It's a kind of a ranch community, and one of his neighbors basically had their ranch burned down. And instead of the community of ranchers kind of getting together to help, they were kind of, like celebrating, like, yes, one less competition.

1:01:53 - (Katya Hayley): Wow.

1:01:54 - (Jeff J Hunter): And, like, that's not the world that I want to live in. So, like, right now, I think it's super important. Especially, like, if you look at what, like, you can feel the narrative that's happening. You can feel like, you can feel what's happening. And it's like, it's weird because, like, I mean, thank God it's 2024 and we can actually bring up Covid and stuff like that. But if we think about all the stuff ##u that's like being force fed into our brains, the stuff that's inappropriate. Remember they tried to say that Trump saying that Wuhan flu was racist and we found out, oh, it actually was a lab leak for Wuhan.

1:02:28 - (Jeff J Hunter): Right. There's just this narrative of just, like, sensitivity, of like. And I feel like right now the voice of sanity is so important. Like, that's why Joe Rogan's blowning up. You know, like, Joe Rogan and these guys that are just like, you're not going to hear that stuff anywhere in the mainstream media. You're not going to hear that on CNN. You're not go going to hear that stuff on Fox News. Like, like, I feel like we need a return of common sense, but common sense has shifted so far that there's hardly any left.

1:03:03 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. So, and I think that's the biggest divide in human connection is, like, if you believe a certain thing and I believe a certain thing, we're immediately like enemies because we're fed propaganda that makes us believe for enemies, but we don't care about connecting with each other, you know? And now it's the other scapegoat is now AI. That's why I love talking about AI and human connection, but it's really our responsibility at the end of the day to, like, treat other people, not how we want to be treated. Because I know that's the old saying, but there's value that you can pour into people. There's kindness, there's grace, there's all of these things that's, like, missing. And now the next scapegoat is AI.

1:03:37 - (Jeff J Hunter): Like your sh.

1:03:38 - (Katya Hayley): Yes.

1:03:39 - (Jeff J Hunter): Look at that shirt. Look at that shirt. Are we looking at that shirt? Look at that shirt. Are we looking at. Trevin, you got that shirt. Where is it?

1:03:45 - (Katya Hayley): No, youness, baby.

1:03:47 - (Jeff J Hunter): Look at that. Kindness free life is good. You know, like, if we just took that principle, you know, that if we just appreciate people you know, like, I appreciate people and I value people. Even if they have a different opinion than me, I value that person. I think it's super important for us to be able to have an opinion, share an opinion, and not be chastised but challenged. If somebody doesn't like your opinion and you have to be ready to be challenged, nobody wants to be challenged anymore. They just want to build a bubble of people that believe the same thing that they do.

1:04:22 - (Katya Hayley): Yeah, no, I appreciate my friends so much. I actually tell my friends all the time, like, please give me feedback, like, whatever that is, whether you come to my event or we're at the dinner or like, whatever el, like, if you see me doing something that you would do differently or I could do better, like, I'm genuinely always open for feedback, constructive criticism, whatever. You can tell me all the things because I'm not gonna take it personal. I'm gonna look at it from a third perspective and I'll evaluate. And I love feedback. I operate off of external feedback to me, so I know I'm doing well or I know I'm not doing too well, you know? So if you guys have any feedback for me ever, please throw it at me.

1:04:59 - (Katya Hayley): Just so you know, if you guys.

1:05:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Have any feedback for us, if we should say less Dick Joe, please give it to us in the comment.

1:05:05 - (Jeff J Hunter): Unless you don't like what we say, then, you know, just leave it there. We'll use it as a troll comment later to feed, we'll feed off your troll comment later, don't worry.

1:05:13 - (Tawni Nguyen): No, I do want to end on the note that authenticity is the highest frequency, you know? So as long as you operate in integrity to who you are and what value you want to bring to the world, you will attract your people and that's it, you know? So I appreciate you guys for being here today, contributing and pouring so much value as song into this friendship, into just humor and like life itself kind of like we talk about. It's like a lot of people take life way too seriously and life is way too short, you know, to walk around with the fucking stick up your ass and shit. So hopefully, like after this or something.

1:05:45 - (Katya Hayley): You'Nn take it out Betif pull it out stick.

1:05:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): I mean, how big?

1:05:50 - (Katya Hayley): In my mind, no, but can I also add something on top of that? The authicity, when you said that it actually makes a world a better place or something like that. Like, I resonate with that because what I found, at least from my personal experience and my hallucination, right when I show up as myself, let's say, like, I'm in a place where the music is so good and nobody's dancing. Like, I will start dancing, you know, and then I see other people who will actually see that, hey, she's not afraid to show herself. She's not afraid to speak her mind. Like, they will actually get encouraged and motivated. That s is how I get motivated sometimes whenn see another person open up. So the more you open up and show your true self, like you actually help the world.

1:06:30 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah.

1:06:31 - (Katya Hayley): Like, you actually do love that.

1:06:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): Be real, be raw, be authentic. Be the little fucking freaky weirdos that you guys are keep on doing. You don't be afraid. There's enough in the world.

1:06:42 - (Jeff J Hunter): This podcast is probably gonna shock a lot of my people just because, you know, I don't do a lot of like, video. Yeah, usually the video content that I do is like educational, know, let's do.

1:06:54 - (Katya Hayley): Some real sides of jeff.

1:06:56 - (Jeff J Hunter): Yeah, this is, this is like the stuff that I don't really talk about because, good, speak your mind. Don't want to. I do. I know that my network is really large and I have lots, I have hundreds of thousands of followers on my network and they have all sorts of different beliefs and stuff. And sometimes you're afraid if I tell my beliefs, then people are going to shy away from me, they're going to get offended and things like that for people that are listening to me from my network, because of course I'm going to share the shit out of this.

1:07:28 - (Jeff J Hunter): I want you to deep, I just want you to think about yourself in your deep side and think about the conversations that you have with your friends at home, your family. Like, how does that match up? How are you showing up in the real world you like, for example, Katya is such a beautiful post. Like, I respect her a lot. A lot of people won't have the same few points as you, but, you know, you and your husband went to Redding, you got baptized in the Sacramento river.

1:07:54 - (Jeff J Hunter): Like, she had such a beautiful story that she wrote like a long soliloquy almost of like this most amazing story about how they met and things like that. And it was so wonderful and beautiful. And I was like, you know what? That's going to attract the right people and it's going to repel the wrong people. And by the way, if you are one of my followers and you're watching this podcast and say, you know what? I feel like I didn't know Jeff, and I don't like this jeff, then bye bye.

1:08:25 - (Katya Hayley): By bye now.

1:08:26 - (Jeff J Hunter): How was that build up, that was good bye.

1:08:29 - (Katya Hayley): Damn.

1:08:29 - (Tawni Nguyen): He just edged us, bro.

1:08:34 - (Katya Hayley): I was wondering what was coming.

1:08:37 - (Tawni Nguyen): You know, it always comes.

1:08:38 - (Jeff J Hunter): That's what she said. Alrighty.

1:08:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): We're not sponsored by Pornhub, by the way.

1:08:43 - (Katya Hayley): My God.

1:08:45 - (Tawni Nguyen): 'So fucking funny. Well, guys, that's it for us today. We might do a part two. Cause this is fucking hilarious. I love talking to these people and just showing up as who they are and being as authentic as we. We're not drunk, by the way.

1:08:59 - (Katya Hayley): I know, but makes from the low t. It's a placebo.

1:09:06 - (Jeff J Hunter): I would like to see a sugar free version of this.

1:09:09 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, that's what Samuel said.

1:09:10 - (Katya Hayley): Is.

1:09:11 - (Jeff J Hunter): Is really amazing. And by the way, it doesn't have a lot of. But he's watching his figure. A coke has, like, 36 grams of sugar. This has, like, 24. So it's still less sugar, but it tastes very good. But what I will say is that I just try not to put sugar in the bloodstream unless it's like, you know, I have to, but. Moscow mule here. Low tail libations. This is actually better than the Moscow mu I had at the casino last night.

1:09:40 - (Tawni Nguyen): Damn.

1:09:41 - (Jeff J Hunter): So there it is.

1:09:42 - (Katya Hayley): Just got add a little vod kind there.

1:09:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): Where can they find you guys on social media?

1:09:47 - (Jeff J Hunter): She's sober over here. You're wanting to add Bo.

1:09:51 - (Katya Hayley): I see the one. This is really what it was saying.

1:09:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): Rian. Excuse my russian friend over there.

1:09:57 - (Katya Hayley): Sorry. This will.

1:09:59 - (Jeff J Hunter): No, we're not putting any vodka in the the vail. Be sober.

1:10:04 - (Katya Hayley): Little shing on.

1:10:05 - (Tawni Nguyen): Where can they find you guys on social media?

1:10:07 - (Katya Hayley): Katya, Haley the k ##h on Instagram or LinkedIn and, yeah, Jeff J Hunter.

1:10:14 - (Jeff J Hunter): Jeff J. Hunter on Instagram. If you google me, actually, Jeff the letter J. Hunter. I have my Google panel now, so I'm official and stuff.

1:10:23 - (Tawni Nguyen): Fancy.

1:10:24 - (Jeff J Hunter): And of course, I just want to. Just before I go, I just want to say you are amazing and the amount of work you do here and the relationships that you build. A shout out to Trevon, who's been running the cams in the back.

1:10:38 - (Katya Hayley): That's good.

1:10:38 - (Jeff J Hunter): This an incredible space. I love it. I'm definitely coming back.

1:10:42 - (Katya Hayley): Yeah. I wanted to say thank you as well. Like, this is my second or third time seeingior in person, but I freaking love you.

1:10:48 - (Jeff J Hunter): Like, every time I come, I'm like, tawni comes.

1:10:53 - (Katya Hayley): I need more of that in my life. I need more rawness and just, like, I don't give a fucking.

1:11:01 - (Tawni Nguyen): Unfucking withable.

1:11:03 - (Katya Hayley): Exactly.

1:11:04 - (Tawni Nguyen): Oh, guys, that's it for us. Gu today. You can find me on Instagram, tawnisaurus or fitnfrugalpod. If you like what you heard. Found yourself in any of our stories, you know, drop us a like. Follow comments, tell us what you like, what you didn't like. I don't give a fuck. Follow them. Give them a shout out. And stay fit and stay frugal and stay true to you. Peace.

1:11:26 - (Jeff J Hunter): I ain't fit or frugal.

1:11:28 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yes, you are.

1:11:29 - (Jeff J Hunter): No, I'm not.