Shawn Maguire on Real Videography, Embracing Vulnerability & Creating Legacy

How can we create content that resonates and stands the test of time? Can introverts thrive in the social media landscape?

I'm excited to bring you this milestone episode where I sit down with Shawn Maguire, an incredibly talented videographer and content creator. Shawn's not just about capturing beautiful shots; he's about capturing real, authentic moments and creating connections that last a lifetime.

He shares his insights on the importance of genuine human connections and the art of building lasting relationships, both in front of and behind the camera. He also gets personal about his thoughts on legacy and how even small acts of kindness can leave a lasting impact in the lives of others.

Join us as Shawn reflects on his journey, discussing the challenges of sharing personal stories and navigating the social media landscape as an introvert. He also shares some hilarious behind-the-scenes moments from his filming adventures and highlights the significance of real-life connections in an industry often dominated by online personas.

Shawn's biggest takeaway? The commitment, discipline, and authenticity required to create content that truly resonates and stands the test of time.

Shawn Maguire is a master at storytelling through his lens. Having worked with high-profile clients, he brings an artistic flair to every project, capturing moments that tell a story far beyond the visuals. His work is not just about videography; it's about creating an experience and a connection that transcends the screen.

Get ready for an episode filled with laughter, reflections, and invaluable insights and conversations that reminds us of the beauty of genuine connections and the lasting impact we can make through our work and interactions.

Key Takeaways:
Content creation involves behind-the-scenes work and messy moments that often go unnoticed.
Legacy is not about being remembered by the masses, but about making a positive impact on individuals' lives.
Being true to oneself and living a connected life, both online and offline, is essential for personal growth.
The rollercoaster journey of a content creator.
Embracing vulnerability and authenticity in storytelling.
The power of connecting with people on a deeper level.
Navigating the challenges of introversion in a social media-centric world.
The importance of commitment and discipline in achieving goals.

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0:00:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Noone sees the kind of messy stuff that we go through on the front end of just sitting on the floor, like, panicking and like, oh, God. Like, I gotta do this thing, and this thing didn't work out, and you're kind of, like, crying to yourself. And I kind of joke. I'm like, what do you got around, you know, two to three today? I'm like, well, looking at my schedule, I'm probably gonna be crying on my.

0:00:17 - (Shawn Mcguire): Floor, you know, biggest takeaways. That's a tough one to put me on the spot here. I feel like we had some good ones. I mean, the last three with Matt, Kevin, and Jon were all really fun to watch.

0:00:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): I never started talking about my traumas until lately. It's because I was very uncomfortable with it. Like, it was holding me back.

0:00:39 - (Shawn Mcguire): I had two different people mic'd up, and in my headphones it splits. So I could hear one person in one and one in the other person in my right ear. All of a sudden, I hear them just, like, bust through a door. You hear a zipper go down, and they start just peeing like a fire hose.

0:01:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Fit and Frugal. I am super excited for this episode, the 21st fucking episode. We've made it past a huge milestone of apparently being in the top 1% of podcasters who quit. Right? And I remember when we first started. I have here with me the man behind the camera of all of this crazy vision that I've had 21 episodes ago. I can't do math. When I first texted Sean, like, hey, I'm thinking about doing a podcast. Like, what do you think? What should we do?

0:01:31 - (Tawni Nguyen): And now he gets to sit here beside me, hosting or co hosting this episode, and I'm super excited to get him out from behind the camera and into a chair with this huge dick in front of him.

0:01:45 - (Shawn Mcguire): This huge black dick in front of.

0:01:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): Know we don't want to be all racist. So welcome. Shawn, how does it feel to step out from behind the camera and into a chair? Because you've seen all of our evolution, of course, myself and all of the guests throughout our previous episodes, and you've really mentored me throughout the entire journey of what to do, what not to do. DOn't do this. You look stupid. You never said that. So how does it feeL? What's the energy that you're getting?

0:02:15 - (Shawn Mcguire): It feels GOod. I mean, it's definitely different. I'll probably have more sympathy for people who are on camera now after experiencing it more because I'm so used to being behind the camera, but it feels nice. I appreciate the opportunity. Yeah.

0:02:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): HapPY to be here, by the Way, it's actually wolverine. I think he's going to do a stunt double as a Wolverine after it.

0:02:41 - (Lana Clairez): Is Halloween month, so he definitely has the Wolverine look. Badass.

0:02:48 - (Shawn Mcguire): Giving me some Halloween costume ideas now.

0:02:51 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, right. And it's super frugal, too. You just got to buy those little claws and maybe throw on those really fake nails and go, like the frugal edition and just not get the claws and just put on girl claws. Girl claws.

0:03:03 - (Shawn Mcguire): Girl claws. Every Halloween, I try to always spend as little money as possible on the costumes, so I just do whatever matches kind of my hair and my beard of what I got going on.

0:03:16 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. And you know what's funny is that in my teenage years, I've always been so accustomed to spending so much money, because when we were growing up, Halloween is like the epitome, like, holiday for slutty girls. And coming from the rave scene, I'm used to being in my underwear and fishnets, and that's just like the everyday wear. When you go to a rave, you're in your underwear and BRA, pasties, whatever.

0:03:39 - (Tawni Nguyen): And HalLoweEN is LIKE, who can be sluttier? And now that I'm in my 30s, I'm like, I need my sweats. Like, is there an outfit around being a bum? The onesies, I'm cold. Yeah, I noticed that on, I think, my 25th birthday, and I'm like, I went to a costume party that was a Onesie party. Never been happier. I'm LiKe, my ass is not out. There's no tits. Like, what is this? Oh, my God, I'm so warm and comfortable.

0:04:03 - (Shawn Mcguire): Onesie party. I want to go to that.

0:04:04 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, but what has been your biggest takeaway from some of the guests that we've had on that really kind of highlights you as your artistic eye behind the camera to how you capture each guest differently because we've shot on so many different sets as well.

0:04:24 - (Shawn Mcguire): Well, I feel like the last couple of ones we had at the Strling Club, we were getting into our groove. I liked how we were having them similar to this, where they're more facing each other and then just kind of dial it in. Each know, try to make it look clean. If we can make sure the white balance is balanced. Biggest takeaways. That's a tough one to put me on the spot here. I feel like we've had some good ones. I mean, the last three with Matt, Kevin, and Jon were all really fun to watch. I feel like, the synergy with Jon was great. That one, I know, is probably our longest one that we filmed, but I think if I had to give the cliff notes version of the takeaways, everyone has their own story and journey and probably something that they're dealing with.

0:05:17 - (Shawn Mcguire): Even if on the surface it looks as though we have it all figured out, I think there's more to the story than meets the eye.

0:05:26 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, and I agree with that because I think it took us all the way to finishing those 20th episode. Right, because Jon was the 20th episode to actually us getting on the phone and really kind of narrowing in on our relationship on the back end too, not just as client vendor relationship. I hate calling it that because it's so transactional. But we started this as friends, and we were communicating the relationship like, hey, we're homies, we're going to be working together. We're going to be growing this thing that we don't really have an exact idea of not using a studio until right now.

0:06:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): In this very moment, we're shifting the set. And how does that feel for you? Let's just say if someone was just to look at your social media, right, and all they see is you doing behind the camera work and just showing your work. But do you feel that introvert part of you is kind of now grown a little bit more in terms of you wanting to create more content when you're in front of the camera more and showing your personality and who you are?

0:06:31 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, I think that's definitely the way it's going with social media. Everyone's making direct camera, talking head footage and education based is kind of the next wave, I think. I think it helps with the environment, too. When you're with other people that are creating, you feel more inspired to create and collaborate with them. So, yeah, it's definitely something I'm working on. I think I've noticed a lot of creators, too, are working on that.

0:07:01 - (Shawn Mcguire): They're so used to being behind the camera, and now they're trying to work on content for themselves. Getting in front of the camera.

0:07:08 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, because your story that you shared with me behind all of that, it took us a lot of relationship building. It took us on a journey of, like, probably six months. Right. Of not having a consistent flow into getting consistent flow. And we're always pivoting with each episode and changing and talking about other people's stories. And I found your stories really fascinating is because no one ever really focuses on the right aspects of the human design and the human condition that people each individually have stories. And when you are behind the camera, you're always trying to just capture the art in front of you. Right. And you kind of put yourself on the back pedestal for that relationship in exchange for that time that you spend together.

0:07:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. What have you learned so far about yourself in terms of just coming on, sharing more of your stories, and you can share as much or as little as you want. This is not. Yeah, because I've heard some things that really inspired me to actually, like, that's who I actually want to be on this 21st episode, because it is a celebration that I want to share this really big, monumental moment with you, not just as another guy.

0:08:21 - (Shawn Mcguire): Wait, so I was the question again.

0:08:26 - (Tawni Nguyen): This sounds like us on set. Like, what's I saying? Yeah, so the question is, so with your story and your journey, and I know you've shared with me the behind the scenes stuff that you've never talked about, which, if you're comfortable, you can share that, because I want to show who you are as a know and how much of that relationship building actually is comfortable for you to start sharing your story on.

0:08:52 - (Tawni Nguyen): What it actually takes to be Sean Maguire.

0:08:55 - (Shawn Mcguire): What it takes to be Sean Maguire. Yeah. I think it's a journey. I think being a content creator, digital creator, you hear a lot of stories, you capture a lot of stories. I think kind of back to my first answer of like, we're all going through something and we're all more humanized than we think. For instance, I was filming once at a conference where one of the headline speakers was like, does anybody got a toothpick? I got something in my teeth.

0:09:24 - (Shawn Mcguire): And he was kind of adamant about, like, I'm not going to go out until I either floss or get a toothpick because I think there's something in my teeth. Even though he probably felt it. But when we all looked, he's like, do I have anything in my teeth? And we're like, no. And I was like, man, this is like a real moment to see this dude who you wouldn't even think. It's like, we all have worries. We all go through the different emotions of fear, anger, sadness, lust, or love.

0:09:52 - (Shawn Mcguire): Happy. But, yeah, it's definitely been a journey being a content creator for myself and just, it's all encompassing of what anyone else has to do when they have their own business, but from finding the clients, fulfilling the needs. So for me, it'd be like filming and editing and then finding more work to do. But, yeah, it's been a roller coaster.

0:10:25 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. Because I think that's the entrepreneur roller coaster behind the scenes that we talked about with intake and money each month, expenses and all of that stuff that I recently finally did, my 2022 taxes, I'm like, oh, shit, what the fuck happened? And people don't really talk about that part of entrepreneurship because there's this not just a highlight reel that you want to put on social media, because I feel like there's a lot of creators that's actually coming out with more authentic content that's actually really inspiring. It's just them in their normal life, not the creator, the influencer life that is so glossed over by social media.

0:11:04 - (Tawni Nguyen): The rose colored glass of what people's life should look like and what you want other people to perceive your life to be. But no one sees the kind of messy stuff that we go through on the front end of just sitting on the floor, like, panicking and like, oh, God, I got to do this thing, and this thing didn't work out. And you're kind of, like, crying to yourself. And I kind of joke. I'm like, what do you got? Around two to three today? I'm like, well, looking at my schedule, I'm probably going to be crying on my floor.

0:11:31 - (Shawn Mcguire): Crying on the couch.

0:11:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): On a couch today. Maybe fetal position. I don't know. I haven't decided if I'm going to use my blankie or not. But we all have designed this social media reel to be such a highlight of a mass produced version of what we need to look like on social media so that we get clients, we get leads, and everyone kind of comes to a conversion rate of how many clicks you're getting, how many views your eyeballs are getting. But it's really hard to actually capture the personality and the character behind everything, right?

0:12:06 - (Tawni Nguyen): And I find that really inspiring. Like, the stories that you've shared with me and everything that you went through, and I never started talking about my traumas until lately. It's because I was very uncomfortable with it. It was holding me back. And I think when I was on another pod yesterday and I felt this lightness that just kind of came off of my shoulders. It felt like 100 pounds just came out of my head.

0:12:29 - (Tawni Nguyen): And it was just such, like a magical moment to just kind of sit with someone and kind of hold space for that, because we all have different things that create us into this version of who we are. And lately, that's the kind of content that I've been more resonating with and drawn to. And that's the kind of level of conversations that I feel like it's really hard for people to have. Is there something that by going to your social media, is there anything about you that you don't think people will know about you by just looking at you from your social media page?

0:13:10 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, I mean, probably a lot. I think that's what they say for business. It's like you got to, like, know and trust the person to do business with them. I've been posting a little bit more. Alex Felice and I have been doing once a week conversations for 30 minutes, and we're eventually going to start having guests. So excited about that. After we hit episode ten, we're on like nine. But, yeah, I've been starting to share a little bit more, like, in my stories and stuff, but I think it's a fine line. I don't know, it just seems like a little bit difficult.

0:13:45 - (Shawn Mcguire): Right. Because we all are told don't care about what people think, but we all do. And don't look at the vanity metrics, but they're right there in front of you now. Even Instagram updated on the back end. If you look at view insights, you can see the watch time and how long people are watching the clips. Similar to YouTube. Yeah.

0:14:06 - (Tawni Nguyen): Oh, God.

0:14:07 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah. And so I think we all kind of want to put our best foot forward, but sometimes it's harder to be that vulnerable, authentic self. So something that I'm working on probably could do a little bit better on sharing more, but I've been trying to share more of my interests and hobies and the gym stuff, like been rock climbing and getting outside. But, yeah, I think I'm still in that newer kind of evolution of posting and sharing more and feeling comfortable with it after kind of being behind the camera more now it's like, okay, try to do both.

0:14:52 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. Because I know that you shoot for a lot of big names out there. We don't need a name drop. But you're shooting mostly masterminds. You're shooting mostly conferences to where it's 100, 200, 500 people at once that you have access to, but you can't integrate into the conversation because you have to be focused at your craft. Right. Your craft is to capture. And where do you find yourself on that leverage of being in the same room with all of these really high level, successful people?

0:15:24 - (Tawni Nguyen): And I know you've shared some of those names that you actually get to talk to. And the humanizing concept of, like, this guy is human just like us, but he just has eight figures more than us in his bank account and probably like a nine figure net worth, and we're all here, and I find that really inspiring. It's just like, how do you manage yourself in these rooms of being intentional about who you want to interact with so that you can get into the conversations of actually connecting with them on a human level, not just like, hey, I'm your videographer.

0:15:59 - (Tawni Nguyen): Can I get your contact and exchange some kind of value? Because it's really hard, because you're actually providing a lot more value than people think. Right. But you don't get a lot of that segment of time to actually go talk to people and network. Even though you're there at a networking event, you have the least amount of time. So how do you figure out what's important to you and what you value when you have that opportunity for yourself?

0:16:24 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, so, firstly, when I'm filming, it's like, the same as when you're driving and listening to an audiobook. And then, like, 10 minutes in, you're like, life gets on your mind. You're like, oh, yeah, I'm listening to an audiobook. It feels like that when I'm filming, I'm not really listening to the speaker. And I know it's different when you're, like, an captive audience listener taking notes versus somebody in the room filming.

0:16:51 - (Shawn Mcguire): Try to just fill out the room, at least when I'm back there, and. Or give context. Like, tell them, hey, I'll be popping out of the curtain and getting a gimbal shot, or coordinate with the other video guys or their video person. I resonate more at the events, talking to the people that are. I think the attendees and I film a lot of real estate events, so I think the people that are just getting started are a little bit more fun to talk to. For me, just because it's like, we're kind of closer in level. Like, you talk to somebody who's like, oh, I got 500 doors and been doing this for 20 years.

0:17:31 - (Shawn Mcguire): Get into real estate. You're just like, man, you cannot relate to me at all right now.

0:17:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): Trying to buy my first door.

0:17:38 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I'm not even there yet. So I think trying to just find the people to talk to that are maybe a few steps ahead or behind are, like, the ones that have a little bit better synergy, because then it's not as intimidating. It's like, when you talk to that person that's like, oh, I have 500 doors. You're like, I'll never be them. But you talk to somebody who's like, oh, I just got my first rental and you're like, oh, sick.

0:18:03 - (Shawn Mcguire): Tell me about it. And they're like, oh, yeah, it took me 18 months to plan or whatever, but I just always try to say hi to everyone, too. I mean, when they see you with the camera, they know you're there most of the time filming. And then you got, like, a badge that says, like, staff or media, but just try to smile and say hi, because at these events, that's, like, where the connections happen. I've seen it happen firsthand, time and time again, where people are meeting people, where it becomes business partner, collaborator, somebody they start a meet up with.

0:18:39 - (Shawn Mcguire): And you're just literally, like, one connection away from potentially pivotal moment in your career or life. So just try to be unforgettable. Smile and just say hi to people. And then I think, too, at the networking parts where they're doing the parties, that's, like, my time to maybe meet people and be like, hey, guys, get together for a little video clip and cheers to the camera or something, and then might get to talk to them after and be like, hey, what do you do?

0:19:09 - (Shawn Mcguire): But really, I just like to say hi and be friendly to everyone and just look at it as we're all here trying to learn, grow, and get better, and I want to make everyone look their best. Yeah, facts make them look cool.

0:19:27 - (Tawni Nguyen): I've had some very weird angles of me when I work with other people. I'm like, really? You think this is my best side?

0:19:34 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, right.

0:19:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): No, I find that fascinating is because that's how we became friends at a mastermind.

0:19:41 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:19:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): Hey, this guy looks cool. And I just came up and talked to you, and it wasn't even about going there and taking pictures with the big shots like the headliners. Yeah, I did a little bit of that because you need that little bit of ego flex for social media. And what I found since I started getting on social media, those posts don't really make me feel good on the inside. It looks good taking cool pictures, but if I actually can't have a conversation with that person, it doesn't really show who I am, because at the end of the day, it kind of becomes like a generic post.

0:20:10 - (Tawni Nguyen): Went to blah blah blah mastermind today, and I learned this. And the power, proximity, and it's all about network, and your network is your net worth, and blah blah blah. And everyone has the same caption. Right? But what is the actual really valuable takeaways? It's like the friends that you have conversations with that you know about their kids, you know about their struggles, you know, about their pain, their fears, because that's the elevated conversation. Because if you can condense that time and compress that time into how long we've known each other, to actually have a relationship outside of the transactional means of like, hey, you want to shoot a podcast?

0:20:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): And just that idea exchange? And now we're like, hey, I'd love to introduce you to this person and this person. And I found that to be way more organic than any of the posts that I've posted. I removed it from my social media because I'm like, this is not me. I don't need to tell people. Unless it's Grant cardone. Cool. Then I got to flex. Like, I got a picture with Grant.

0:21:01 - (Shawn Mcguire): Cardone and then post it ten times because. Ten x.

0:21:07 - (Tawni Nguyen): And also because I probably forget and have to do it ten times.

0:21:10 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, right?

0:21:11 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. So for the relationship aspect with you and your personal friend circle, I know we've talked about how we both just hide at home and we get so into our creating zone that we forget that the world kind of, you know, and I'm like, when is the last time I left my office besides filming or, like, going to Costco to get groceries? I'm like, did I leave the house? This.

0:21:37 - (Shawn Mcguire): Wow.

0:21:37 - (Tawni Nguyen): You know? And how has that been for you when you picked up that self awareness in terms of like, man, I gotta go talk to people.

0:21:45 - (Shawn Mcguire): How has that been for you? Yeah, I think pre Covid, I was more of an extrovert, and then Covid kind of made me more of an introvert, and now I'm trying to get out of the shell more, go to more events, talk to more people. But, yeah, I can relate to that. There's been days where I'll be at home and just kind of in the zone doing my thing. I started going to the gym earlier now, too, when nobody's there.

0:22:13 - (Shawn Mcguire): So I like it because I'm getting up early and you start the day, right. But then on the other end, I'm like, I don't see anybody because it's a 24/7 gym. It's the pad in Henderson, so you can just scan in. And so sometimes I'll go at, like, six or seven, and I'll be lucky if I'll see one person there. But, yeah, I think it's good to be social and talk to people because I feel that, especially as a creative, I talked to some other friends about this that can resonate, too.

0:22:45 - (Shawn Mcguire): The social time that you get might only be when you're filming with people or if you have a partner at home or if you have phone calls. But I'd like to think I'm a social person. I was really outgoing and would do a lot of activities and things pre Covid. So I think now I'm trying to kind of get back to that side of going out more, talking to people, enjoying life, doing fun stuff. But it's definitely been a journey because for a while, it was just like, it's easy to kind of repeat that cycle of, like, if you're at home and stay at home to not go out.

0:23:28 - (Tawni Nguyen): I think a lot of people see that as, oh, well, that's the thing that you want to do. You want to edit and behind the screen for, like, 18 hours a day, right? Not 18, maybe like twelve.

0:23:41 - (Shawn Mcguire): I don't know.

0:23:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): It's funny that you go to the gym when there's no one there. Your attempt at social interaction turns out to be the time where no one wants to go because that's like the 1% hour. Like, who the fuck goes to the gym at 05:00 a.m., like, holy fuck, it's cold. Like, I want to be in my pajamas.

0:23:53 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, right. Well, I used to go in the evenings. I should probably start going in the evenings again. It's like a good little reminder, at least. I think my subconscious, like, all right, you're doing something for you right away in the morning, and that's taking care of your body and getting out of your head. And, like, this morning, I hate running, but I've been doing it just to practice doing things that I don't like to do.

0:24:18 - (Shawn Mcguire): So I ran 3 miles today. Yeah, well, it's a lot to me because. Tawnilot I despise running, but I just get on the treadmill and just hit it and start going. And I started a couple of weeks ago, going like two or three times a week, and I only increase the speed by one. So it was like 6.1 or 6.2. And then I'm just slowly increasing the length, the distance. So today it was 3.2 miles, but last time was 3.1 and time before that was three.

0:24:55 - (Shawn Mcguire): But I don't know why I'm telling.

0:24:58 - (Tawni Nguyen): You this, but 6.2 is fast, bro. Once I hit, I think, 7.2 ones, and I'm like, I had my fucking big ego on. I'm like, oh, if I can do 6.2, what's 7.2? And I got on it. I sort of got. It was like 38 seconds and I had to jump to the side. And I've never breathed harder. And that's when I realized I'm like, fuck, I'm so out of shape. It's like I just took, like, ten flight of stairs, but it's like 38.

0:25:22 - (Shawn Mcguire): Seconds of running, right.

0:25:24 - (Tawni Nguyen): And that's when I realized I'm like, fuck, I hate cardio, too. I just have to find other ways to do it, and I don't know. It's terrible. I can't do it.

0:25:34 - (Shawn Mcguire): I just try to work on my breathing the whole time. I'm like. I just try to do the deep breaths, and I like doing it on the treadmill versus outside because at least it sets the pace. I feel like if I went outside, I would just stop running. I'd run, like, 100 yards and then just stop.

0:25:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): I would just walk.

0:25:55 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, maybe I should go to the gym more in the afternoon evening time, because there'll be people there. Yeah.

0:26:08 - (Tawni Nguyen): What's the funniest thing you've seen that you filmed at any events that still stays fresh in your mind? Like a funny moment or something that really stays with you?

0:26:19 - (Shawn Mcguire): Okay, yeah, good question. All right, so one time I had two different people mic'd up, and in my headphones, it splits. So I could hear one person in one and one in the other. And the guy on the left ear was talking to somebody else, and they're both Christian, and they're like, oh, this was so inspiring. Your story was basically inspirational. And they're talking about how everything happens for divine timing and God and just connecting. Because of that person in my right ear, all of a sudden, I hear them just, like, bust through a door.

0:26:59 - (Shawn Mcguire): You hear a zipper go down, and they start just peeing like a fire hose. And then they're sending somebody a voice note, and I thought they were talking to me, like, realizing, like, oh, Sean has headphones in and can hear me because they're like, this is a great event. And as you hear them just, like, peeing, and then in the other ear, those two guys are talking about God. And so that was kind of funny, because I think people forget sometimes that they're mic'd up.

0:27:27 - (Shawn Mcguire): And if you're, like, recording. I wasn't, obviously, in the bathroom recording that guy, but I was recording the other two talk. But, yeah, you'll hear interesting things, like stuff like that that kind of happens where you're like, oh, this is funny.

0:27:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, because I know when I'm micked up and every time I have to pee between set, I'm like, I got to take this off. I don't think we're that close for you to want? Yeah, you're going to have, like, 18 seconds.

0:27:51 - (Shawn Mcguire): Well, to be fair, when we film, though, I'm not like, the camera is set and I take off the headphones and I'm not going to go hit record. This particular story I'm talking about, it was during one of the breaks, and one of the headline speakers was talking, so I was like, oh, I should get some broll of him. And I was filming that, and then the host went and peed. Went pee. So he had no idea I was filming. I could hear it. And then afterwards, I was like, yo, were you trying to talk to me in the bathroom?

0:28:22 - (Shawn Mcguire): And he's like, why? And I'm like, because you're like, this is a great event. And it sounded like you were, like, taking the laugh and being like, this is a great event. It felt, like, intimate, and you really had to go pee. How much water did you drink? And he's like, no, I had no idea at all. I was sending a voice note to somebody, and I was like, oh, cool. Well, when you watch that clip back, it's great, because on the left speaker channel, we're talking about God and divine timing. And on the right, we hear you pissing for 2 minutes, talking about how sweet this event was. So that'll be fun to watch.

0:28:55 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. Did you guys use it for behind the scenes take?

0:29:00 - (Shawn Mcguire): We should have. I don't know what they did with the footage, but they probably used the broll part of the christian divine timing clip, but the bathroom clip, probably not.

0:29:13 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. I love that you brought up divine timing. So it kind of sounds like you also take care of your spiritual wealth. Right? Like, you still take care of you as a whole. Being behind the camera, you're interacting with a lot of energies, and you're sharing very intimate spaces with people now. I know. In the bathroom.

0:29:32 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:29:33 - (Tawni Nguyen): What does your spiritual practice look like for you to keep yourself on a level of pretty much. You sound very disciplined, you know, your craft, and it takes very meticulous work for you to actually pay attention and stay focused on capturing people in their element.

0:29:53 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:29:53 - (Tawni Nguyen): How do you stay spiritually fit?

0:29:57 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, no, I've been working on that, too. I don't know if I'm that disciplined or spiritually focused. Like, don't give me too much credit. I mean, I've been trying to go to church on Sundays. I go to city light. Really resonate with that community. I think they got something special going on. I could probably be better at reading the bible more. But I've tried to just talk to God more. Like, when I'm driving or in, my thoughts just connect. But honestly, that's something I'm trying to work on, too, because I think I've looked at this year as kind of a rebuild year for me and just trying to reconnect with getting better habits and better routine.

0:30:53 - (Shawn Mcguire): But you kind of just got to take it one day at a time. I don't know quite how to answer that. I think that's a good question, especially in a city like Vegas. Like, the first few years here, I feel like I completely stopped going to church.

0:31:11 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, you step out, you can't help but to be covered in hookers and.

0:31:15 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, totally. Totally. Well, I remember, too, because I went to a bunch of. So I grew up Catholic, and I went to a bunch of catholic churches, and I remember the one down by fremont, they only had, like, six parishioners because everyone that goes there is, like, out of towner. And I was like, I don't resonate with this. And then I remember I went to another one, and it was like the dead of summer. And I wore a polo and khaki shorts, and they kicked me out because I had shorts on.

0:31:40 - (Shawn Mcguire): And they're like, you can't be here. And I was like, the only white dude. It was a hispanic church downtown, and it felt so out of place. I remember when the door opened and I came in, everyone looked, and they're like, a white guy, and you're just like, hi. Tawniwhite man enters. Yeah, exactly. Tawniwhite man enters the scene. And I was like, all hipster with my polo and khakis. And I had a skateboard because I skateboarded there to reduce the carbon footprint. And they're like, why do you have a skateboard? And I'm like, I'm not going to walk in this heat. I'm going to skateboard.

0:32:17 - (Shawn Mcguire): And then this lady was like, you can't be here in shorts. And I was like, jesus doesn't care what I'm wearing. He's happy I'm here. And then she's like, you can go home and come back, or come back next time, but we don't allow shorts. And I was like, okay, well, bye.

0:32:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): She's intimidated by your sexy knees or something.

0:32:38 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. The shorts were just above the kneecap.

0:32:42 - (Tawni Nguyen): Thanks, Becky. I know this shit slaps more than your Felicia.

0:32:49 - (Shawn Mcguire): And then I found city light during COVID and I started going there, and I really like city light.

0:32:56 - (Tawni Nguyen): Got a good vibe.

0:32:57 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, good vibe. I think the vibe attracts the tribe. Is that how they say it?

0:33:04 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, something like that.

0:33:05 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:33:06 - (Tawni Nguyen): We could probably be both dyslexic and it sounds good to us.

0:33:09 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah. Your tribe is your vibe. Or. I don't know. I was going to ask you what's been your takeaway since starting this? Because I got to give you round of applause for doing it because I've talked to a lot of people. It's a lot of work. People don't see the work that goes into it. What's been your biggest takeaway since starting the podcast?

0:33:35 - (Tawni Nguyen): It's the commitment.

0:33:36 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:33:37 - (Tawni Nguyen): I did not know I could endure this much discomfort to actually go through with what I say I'm going to do. So working on not just the discipline aspect, but just holding myself at the highest integrity and operating on that frequency that I say I'm going to get myself to the best version of myself. That shit is actually really hard because it sounded really easy at first. I'm like, oh, if I do two a day, it becomes a numbers thing. Right. But I just don't want to just move through the episodes by just doing, oh, I hit this number today.

0:34:07 - (Tawni Nguyen): It's less about the numbers, but it's about the people that I've aligned to. In the first couple of episodes, I'm like, hey, I got this lined up. It's more about shooting with friends and getting comfortable and getting people to actually share their story without. I've only had a couple of people that's like, oh, I don't know what to talk about. That's like, fit and frugal. I'm like, fit and frugal is for me, you are. You don't have to be.

0:34:29 - (Tawni Nguyen): If we get the same values in terms of what we want to talk about, that's cool. I think there's one episode that we talk, actually about being frugal or something, right? Yeah, with the unethical life hacks. But I didn't want it just to be about a very specific thing because I find myself evolving with the guests, and every time I hear something and I'm actually finding myself more in the conversations and I'm developing who I am as a podcaster, not just someone that's just sitting here having an interview. I don't like calling an interview. It's just a casual conversation.

0:35:01 - (Tawni Nguyen): And I actually find myself developing this person that I see and I can visualize in that moment as, like, I am now a woman of my words. I've committed. And I said, I'm going to get to episode 21. And here we are on episode 21. And that kind of gave me chills. And I talked to Mike M. Yesterday about. He was like, hey, what's your sober journey like? I was like, I honestly didn't consider myself a sober person on the 200th day because I thought it would take a year for me to actually accept that reality.

0:35:31 - (Tawni Nguyen): But even working with you on and off camera, I've developed, like, a certain level of self acceptance now that I've given myself more grace and more kindness as a person, because I get to listen and be around. You see us on camera, but I get to be with a person kind of in that spatial zone, right? Because our filming space isn't very big. And what I found my biggest takeaway is that if you say you're going to do something and you really show up for yourself, your energy is different because you hold yourself to a higher frequency, and then the people that you are actually talking to, you naturally just have a really high level of respect for that. It's because I never gave myself that validation up until, I don't know, episode 20th. I'm like, holy crap. And I'm like, I get why people want to quit because you've heard me at, like, seven 8910. I'm like, oh, my God, there's so much work, and it's so tiring. And even this morning, people are always canceling and scheduling, and there's monetary investments involved, and it's not even about the money, but it's just, I want to be intentional with every person I have on, minus the numbers game that we have to play.

0:36:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): I think that's my biggest takeaway, is just truly showing up for me, the guests, and just actually, really holding intention and holding the space and be present with that person in the moment and not just to get through the episodes. Because I've been on a couple of other people's podcasts where they're not even there. It's really hard as a guest because you're not connecting. You're not really in flow state, and you really don't feel their presence. And for me, energy is very important, right? Like, I want to feel that we're actually in this space and we're actually sharing this moment. That energy doesn't really lie. But if you see, I feel like that episode that I'm talking about, I was like, as an empath, I was just kind of, like, absorbing that nervous energy, and I became this person that I don't really like, right? Because I'm just reacting to the questions rather than mindfully. Kind of like you pausing and intentionally responding to the question, because it really takes introspection and going inward of like, okay, this is how I want to answer this as my highest self.

0:37:45 - (Tawni Nguyen): So we went, like, a whole loop de loop.

0:37:47 - (Shawn Mcguire): But, yeah, that was two loop de loops. I like it, though. So the commitment, the follow through.

0:37:53 - (Tawni Nguyen): The commitment, the follow through, and actually communicating what you want, and then you, as the person that is actually, like, my partner, like, the partner in crime in this thing, you have to deal with all my shit, because if I have to deal with other people, you're dealing with other shit. This guy canceled. We got to move to this day. Flexibility. You got to be adaptable. And if you're working with a crew, which is you, the two man crew that we are, as the production and as the talent on camera.

0:38:24 - (Shawn Mcguire): On camera talent.

0:38:26 - (Tawni Nguyen): It's even hard just between two people to communicate exactly what it means to hold on to the personal relationship, the business relationship, and not make it so transactional and have something grow outside of that and just evolve together. Because we can look at our episode and be like, oh, this is when to edit. I need someone that understands my personality.

0:38:47 - (Shawn Mcguire): Sure.

0:38:47 - (Tawni Nguyen): And that understands kind of, like, the vibe and the inappropriateness and all the shit that we dick jokes and the dick jokes and the ghost cocks and the.

0:38:57 - (Lana Clairez): Can I ask a quick question? Because you had said that.

0:38:59 - (Shawn Mcguire): Can you hear that, by the way?

0:39:01 - (Lana Clairez): Yeah, but they can't hear it on the mic. I promise. But you said that you had felt, like, a little uncomfortable. Like, you had to get out of your comfort zone. What made you uncomfortable? What was it that made you uncomfortable.

0:39:13 - (Tawni Nguyen): About podcasting the cameras? Made me. Really? Yeah. Like, I'm just not an on camera person. Before, when the first day we shot and I needed some headshots, and I told Sean, I was like, hey, can you just snap a couple pictures of, like, I could not stop laughing. I was just so uncomfortable on camera is because I think it comes from a deep, really, fear of being seen or something, and I think being on camera and being heard.

0:39:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): And the first episode we shot with Rob, which is a man of God, he's Christian. He's very professional. So I think that's the biggest takeaway I learned, is that I should have started with friends first. But Rob actually held me accountable, because if it was, like, one of my friends, I would have bailed. But since it was, like, it held my ass accountable to, I was not ready to be on camera. But I'm like, oh, my God. He's here. He's not even feeling good. He's going to show up for me. So I got to show up for him.

0:40:10 - (Shawn Mcguire): He was a little sick.

0:40:11 - (Tawni Nguyen): He was still a little sick. You remember his raspy voice? He called me on the phone. He's like, hey, I'm still going to be there. I just want to let you know. My voice is a little raspy. And I was so scared that, honestly, if it was anyone else, I would have been like, Shawn, let's move it. Let's move it back to I'm coming back from Miami. I would have pushed another three weeks after my travels, but that comfort zone thing, it's real.

0:40:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): It was so uncomfortable that that Sean, if we see the first episodes of how uncomfortable I am, I was like, hi.

0:40:44 - (Shawn Mcguire): They always say, start before you're ready. But I think we jumped out of.

0:40:49 - (Tawni Nguyen): The plane and we jumped. Parachute on the way down.

0:40:51 - (Shawn Mcguire): No, we put the parachute on while we jumped. Just kidding. But, yeah, I think sometimes it's easier said than done.

0:41:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Especially the zero to one is the hardest.

0:41:03 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, zero to one is hard. And then I remember just telling you, let's get to ten.

0:41:09 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, let's hit ten. Celebrated ten. Almost quit, bro. Do you remember that? I was like, oh, I think we're good for now. And I'm going to take a little time or whatever. And I knew, I was like, if I quit now, I'm literally probably going to quit. And just like, I can't do it.

0:41:23 - (Shawn Mcguire): Can't. You got to keep going.

0:41:24 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. So I think Nelson would be really proud to hear your story, know, connect you guys offline, too, because getting from zero to one, even in real estate, is the hardest. The first door you ever buy is, like, the most meaningful door.

0:41:37 - (Shawn Mcguire): I guess after you sell that house, you take it off the hinges and frame that door.

0:41:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): I'm going to cut down that door.

0:41:46 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, exactly.

0:41:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): Put in a chipper and frame it or something.

0:41:50 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:41:51 - (Tawni Nguyen): But I think it's been a whole entire journey of really, you and I holding each other accountable and really having that hard conversation about, like, I want to get better. And we said, since episode one, let's just get 1% better. Each episode, we both tell each other, like, hey, how does this look? How does that look? And it's just all about, I think, honest communication and being open minded to new ideas. Because you as a creative and me as a person, that honestly, on episode one, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

0:42:24 - (Tawni Nguyen): I thought I was supposed to have questions and all of these things. And it was so formal that I learned who I am as a natural conversationalist and just being very transparent with our relationship, like, hey, these are the struggles. This is my life schedule this week. I can't do x, Y and z. And then you've been the same. So I think that's the integrity that we both share is having the same values, even as someone that is in a transactional but not a transactional relationship.

0:42:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): Because honesty, being open minded and transparency is really important for me, for people I do business or just have personal relationship with. Because you don't want any weird, vague assumptions. I think that's a good word. I can't assume someone owes me anything just because we have maybe a personal know. And I think that's been the most important takeaway. It's like the man behind the camera shows up for me, I have to show up for him and I have to show up for myself.

0:43:23 - (Tawni Nguyen): Therefore, I have to show up for my guests. Lana, did that answer a question? Because that took you? This is the ADHD brains.

0:43:33 - (Lana Clairez): No, you definitely answered that question.

0:43:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): The around the world.

0:43:38 - (Lana Clairez): No, because I completely get where you're coming from when it comes to being uncomfortable in front of the camera. Because a lot of people tend to be a lot more self conscious on camera than they are in person. Obviously, you're in person. You don't really have mirrors everywhere around you. But when you're on camera, people get really self conscious. What do I say? Do I sound stupid? Do I look stupid? Do I look fat?

0:44:03 - (Lana Clairez): Is my hair okay? Like everybody?

0:44:05 - (Shawn Mcguire): I was asking. But to be fair, I just got a haircut. And so that's why your hair looks good. And I rushed over here. Rushed over here. Because she's like, get here at 930, not ten.

0:44:16 - (Lana Clairez): And I was like, do you understand? What was it, like, 20? Probably, like four years ago, Wolverine was voted world's sexiest man. And we just called you Wolverine. Like I don't know how many times. So take it.

0:44:28 - (Shawn Mcguire): Okay.

0:44:28 - (Lana Clairez): Take it.

0:44:29 - (Shawn Mcguire): Thank you.

0:44:31 - (Tawni Nguyen): Take it hard.

0:44:32 - (Lana Clairez): Take it hard.

0:44:34 - (Shawn Mcguire): I'll bend over and take it.

0:44:36 - (Lana Clairez): I love it.

0:44:42 - (Tawni Nguyen): Should we spit on it or should he spit on it? I don't know. Pretty big.

0:44:46 - (Shawn Mcguire): I don't know.

0:44:47 - (Tawni Nguyen): Freaky.

0:44:48 - (Lana Clairez): We're fit and freaky. We've established this earlier.

0:44:51 - (Tawni Nguyen): Fit, frugal and freaky.

0:44:55 - (Shawn Mcguire): We could do that, like, after hours. Like, welcome to fit and frugal.

0:44:58 - (Lana Clairez): I like that.

0:45:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): All the blooper takes of all the inappropriate.

0:45:02 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:45:03 - (Tawni Nguyen): All the non cc stuff that we talk about.

0:45:05 - (Shawn Mcguire): Clip everything. That was when we first met. Like, the first few times when you said stuff like, you'd be like, do.

0:45:13 - (Tawni Nguyen): My tits look okay?

0:45:14 - (Shawn Mcguire): Or something? It was just, like, so off the cuff where I'm like, wow, she's no filter. I love it.

0:45:22 - (Tawni Nguyen): You got to let me know when my nipple was showing. Okay. Yeah, that's a homie.

0:45:26 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:45:29 - (Tawni Nguyen): Relationship.

0:45:30 - (Shawn Mcguire): Keeping it real.

0:45:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): But it's also a business that you have to look at. It's like, you can't let someone do something against their brand just because you're uncomfortable.

0:45:42 - (Shawn Mcguire): So that's something that throws you out.

0:45:44 - (Tawni Nguyen): Of your comfort zone a little bit, too.

0:45:46 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah. I mean, remember with Matt's, we had a couple audio incidences where I had to pop in and play with his touch, his lavalier touch, his crocs.

0:45:56 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah.

0:45:56 - (Shawn Mcguire): Well, the mic was in his pocket. Okay. The mic was in the pocket.

0:46:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Disclaimer all over his lap, dude.

0:46:03 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah. I just, like, straddle him.

0:46:06 - (Tawni Nguyen): His legs look so smooth.

0:46:08 - (Shawn Mcguire): I know. Well, he was putting lotion on before, so they did look have some really.

0:46:12 - (Tawni Nguyen): Funny behind the scenes of what actually happens.

0:46:15 - (Lana Clairez): Behind the scenes is always funnier than the actual thing. Bloopers and behind the scenes, always better.

0:46:22 - (Shawn Mcguire): Material, better content, because people don't realize.

0:46:26 - (Lana Clairez): I think, that they're the struggles.

0:46:28 - (Shawn Mcguire): The struggles. Or if you already started filming.

0:46:31 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah, of course.

0:46:32 - (Shawn Mcguire): What would you say is your most prideful thing that you're frugal about that people don't know about you.

0:46:38 - (Tawni Nguyen): Most frugal, prideful.

0:46:40 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah. Or, I don't know, something you're really proud of that you do. That's, like, super frugal that people don't know. Because I remember we were talking and you said one thing once, and I was like, damn, that's next level frugal.

0:46:53 - (Tawni Nguyen): I don't even know. What was it?

0:46:54 - (Shawn Mcguire): You're like, I only buy things on sale at Costco.

0:46:57 - (Tawni Nguyen): Oh, yes.

0:46:58 - (Shawn Mcguire): And I was like, that's next level.

0:47:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. My pantry is stocked at very particular time because I know when that item goes on sale, and that's usually when I run out because I'm so disciplined in the things I eat. Yeah. And another thing is, like, I probably could have a new car. I just don't. There's a lot of people that.

0:47:16 - (Lana Clairez): You're a practical person.

0:47:17 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. They're like, why don't you get this car? You can afford it. I'm like, it's not the affordability. I don't actually care for it because I love my car, and I don't have a car payment and it's just the most sensible idea.

0:47:27 - (Lana Clairez): I just fell more in love with you. I just felt more in love. I was like, oh, my gosh, she's practical.

0:47:31 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's hot for my kids.

0:47:34 - (Lana Clairez): Well, I mean, that was there too. Now it's like the frugalness and the titties. Oh, bitch, let's go.

0:47:40 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. Making logical decisions, not emotionally spending. I think that's the most prideful thing now is how I development. I develop the mindset to actually be frugal and only spend things of value and not just the inability of me, of this version of myself. Like, a year ago, I was emotionally spending because I couldn't regulate my emotions. I was just sad buying things, just like an air fryer I bought in my single girl days that I thought would fix my problem of going through my breakup last year. Now I have to take back to Costco because I told Dennis I was just like, I bought this when I was a sad single girl, and obviously it doesn't serve two people. So this air fryer is practically useless. And I still use the same air fryer I've had for, like, eight years that's, like, about to fall apart. But I call him Darth Vader because he's round and really cute.

0:48:25 - (Tawni Nguyen): But now I'm like, what do I do with this single girl sad purchase that was on sale at Costco. That's the only reason I bought it.

0:48:32 - (Shawn Mcguire): Wow.

0:48:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): And then now I have to take it back without the box. Like, I never used it. Can I get a new one now that I'm in a happy, healthy relationship? But it needs to feed two people, not just me and my selfish ass.

0:48:43 - (Shawn Mcguire): Have you always been frugal? No. When did you hit the switch of.

0:48:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): Like, I think it was this year. Last year. I really tried hard to get my life back in track, and after deteriorating myself through financial means for so long that I understand that me emotionally spending literally just gave me the illusion of control of a life that I had no control over. So until I got my shit together and understand where exactly my source of unhappiness comes from, I began to allow myself to actually build on things that actually brings me joy and brings me true happiness, which is in the healthy relationships that I have with everyone and just the things that I choose intentionally to have in my life.

0:49:26 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's the biggest decision. And also, getting sober kind of helps, too.

0:49:29 - (Shawn Mcguire): Sure.

0:49:29 - (Tawni Nguyen): Mental clarity, not adding to the health components, all of that stuff. It just has made me a way better person. And I'm actually pouring from Tawny. Not people pleasing over giving, you know, sad bitch. Tawny, that's trying to just do it for validation. Now, if I love you, I will love you to the end of the earth. That's just who I am as a person. But before, I didn't know that before, I thought I was just a cold heart bitch with no feelings.

0:49:57 - (Tawni Nguyen): But, Sean, thanks for being here.

0:49:59 - (Shawn Mcguire): It's over.

0:50:02 - (Tawni Nguyen): No, but I just want to leave with you being always there for me. Is there anything that you want to share about yourself that you feel is really important about you that no one would know or that you just want the world?

0:50:19 - (Shawn Mcguire): How much time do we have?

0:50:21 - (Tawni Nguyen): Not a therapy dump.

0:50:23 - (Shawn Mcguire): Okay, so when my parents had me.

0:50:26 - (Tawni Nguyen): Back in death, we got to extend the time.

0:50:29 - (Shawn Mcguire): Keep it rolling. Keep it rolling. That's, like, such a loaded question. I don't know how to answer that. Is there any.

0:50:37 - (Tawni Nguyen): My dad put it in my mom.

0:50:39 - (Lana Clairez): Yeah, well, I guess. What is your legacy? What do you want your legacy to be known as?

0:50:43 - (Shawn Mcguire): Oh, like, what am I known as? Oh, man. Like, what's on my tombstone type shit. Okay.

0:50:50 - (Tawni Nguyen): Damn. We just hit him with, like, two deep.

0:50:52 - (Lana Clairez): Two deep ones.

0:50:53 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah. You guys are going deep.

0:50:55 - (Lana Clairez): Yes.

0:50:56 - (Tawni Nguyen): We can't get you on this couch. Okay. It's really hard to get the perfect.

0:51:00 - (Lana Clairez): The dicks aren't coming out. We're still going deep.

0:51:02 - (Tawni Nguyen): Okay.

0:51:10 - (Lana Clairez): This will be edited out.

0:51:12 - (Tawni Nguyen): No, the silence.

0:51:15 - (Shawn Mcguire): Okay, well, then I got a little bit more time. If you're going to edit out my pausing, let me really think about. I think it'd be great to be known as somebody who's kind and tried to always do the right thing when I could see if I can be honest. Can I be honest? Is this a safe place?

0:51:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): Honesty is the best policy?

0:51:43 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yes. Okay, great. Because I think about this sometimes when Hermosi and them talk where they say, most people won't have more than three generations of a legacy. Your grandkids might know about you, but then after that, nobody's going to know about you. So I'm always kind of like, I've really been reflecting on that question before because especially at some of the events I go to, people will be like, I'm doing it for my legacy.

0:52:12 - (Shawn Mcguire): And I'm like, but aren't we all going to be forgotten at one? Even after Queen Elizabeth died, people were talking about it for a couple of days, and then nobody's talking about her now. I think the people who really have a legacy are, like, the artists or. It's like a very small percentage. But I think it's what we can do in the day to day. If you can make somebody's day better by holding the door open for them, even though it's not going to be on social media or being nice to somebody or making an introduction and adding value, I look at things like that. I have two friends that are really good friends that I met when I first moved to Vegas, and Kat and Harrison, and I introduced Harrison to Kat, and then they started dating. Now they got married. Like, super proud of that moment because I'm like, I was the connector.

0:53:04 - (Shawn Mcguire): So just doing little small things like that where you're able to make connections for people or make people's lives better, whether big or small, even if it's as simple as holding the door. I think I'd like to be remembered for mean, I really don't know what the future holds. But the legacy question I've thought about before, because in Harmozi's talk, I don't know if you've seen it, but they're saying, like, well, I'll be forgotten. And kind of has this tangent, too, of like, who cares what people think about you because we're all going to be dead one day where you're like, oh, yeah, that's true. Just go full send. Who cares? But I still get in my head once in a while, actually, from time to time and think over.

0:53:54 - (Shawn Mcguire): I overthink things, I think, but I think, yeah. The legacy question. Long answer, but to summarize, the cliff notes, just a nice dude, that's so sweet.

0:54:07 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah.

0:54:08 - (Shawn Mcguire): What do you want your legacy to be?

0:54:10 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's kind of what I've been reflecting on is something that I've been writing about for my blog is how would you live differently if social media didn't exist? Like, would you do anything different? Would you still do the things that you do because you can post, right. Would you be a different person if you can't post any of the cool things you do and you truly just have to be a kind person?

0:54:34 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:54:34 - (Tawni Nguyen): Because I think it removes so much of our ego.

0:54:37 - (Shawn Mcguire): Sure.

0:54:38 - (Tawni Nguyen): Especially now that there's AI and there's all these elements coming in to change the way we talk to each other.

0:54:44 - (Shawn Mcguire): Sure.

0:54:45 - (Tawni Nguyen): There is a need for true human connection. That's why I value real conversations. That's just not about being interviewed and having how many clips and is it going to go viral? Is it all of that? I don't think any of that really matters, but I think I agree with you on that legacy. It's just be a good person. In real life, as much as people want or as much as you want people to think you're a good person on social media, be that in real life, just be authentic to who you are.

0:55:16 - (Tawni Nguyen): And I think that's something that I want my legacy to be. If I'm as much of an asshole, awkward, whatever it is, that all of the negative things I can think about myself, I can make fun of myself for, because I think my leg is just having so much humility and the power of being truly vulnerable and being truly authentic to who you are and just living and not just caring about what anyone thinks and just doing things for social media and just living a really connected life to where you're present with the people that's in your life and true to.

0:55:51 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah, yeah. How do you stay true to yourself?

0:55:55 - (Tawni Nguyen): It's like we just took a bong rip or something.

0:55:58 - (Shawn Mcguire): Like, what is yourself like? Who is the real tawny? The real Tawny?

0:56:02 - (Tawni Nguyen): Who are you?

0:56:05 - (Lana Clairez): Makes fun of herself and everyone around.

0:56:06 - (Tawni Nguyen): Her is roasting everyone. Yeah, I don't roast you. I don't think we're friends, man.

0:56:11 - (Lana Clairez): That's what I say. I'm like, bro, if we're not roasting.

0:56:14 - (Tawni Nguyen): Each other, we're not talking as my love language.

0:56:16 - (Lana Clairez): If I'm nice to you, that automatically means I'm uncomfortable.

0:56:20 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah.

0:56:20 - (Lana Clairez): If I'm an asshole, I'm like, we are best friends.

0:56:26 - (Tawni Nguyen): And shit. When's the last time you got naked? It's like this morning, but yeah. No, that's so funny. Do you want to jump on my lap? But I mean on your lap, girl. That's what you meant. I say yeah to that.

0:56:44 - (Shawn Mcguire): Do you want to be on the podcast? No. Do you want to be on my lap? Yes.

0:56:47 - (Tawni Nguyen): This is now my pet, but, yeah, no, thanks for sharing who you are. And I think we embrace both of those values as just being. I call it like a decent human being, but just be a good human being. And it's really hard to actually connect with good people. So when someone actually kind of like how I want to introduce you to people, this is a good guy. That's it. I think that's the best compliment you can receive.

0:57:16 - (Tawni Nguyen): It's like a word from someone else. And it's not like tagging someone on social media about how much business you're doing.

0:57:24 - (Shawn Mcguire): Sure.

0:57:25 - (Tawni Nguyen): Be there for them in real life. That's it. I think that's the core of being yourself. It's like, what do you actually want to do? Who are you when no one's looking? I think that's the most important person that people can't reflect back on because they care too much about what the superficial of them is doing on the outside. Like, how much validation are they getting from Facebook? How much validation they're getting? Like, now, you said I didn't even know you can track social media.

0:57:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's a very important aspect of our life, is AI and algorithmic stuff. That's okay, too, but I kind of want to do a follow up on this. How much money and business do you actually get from being a good person in real life versus posting flexy things?

0:58:04 - (Shawn Mcguire): Sure.

0:58:05 - (Tawni Nguyen): Like, how much? Know, that's a good topic. Yeah. YouTube video coming soon. Don't know how to edit. So Shauna will be editing.

0:58:15 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:58:17 - (Tawni Nguyen): Fix my edits, please. No, but, yeah, no. Thanks for showing up as who you really are, and it's really enlightening to just be in your power. I think that's an empowered person is an authentic person.

0:58:34 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:58:34 - (Tawni Nguyen): Just don't project yourself into other people. I don't know. Should we?

0:58:42 - (Lana Clairez): Well, you're at 57 minutes.

0:58:46 - (Tawni Nguyen): Oh, I see. Yeah. So we should wrap it.

0:58:47 - (Shawn Mcguire): Yeah.

0:58:48 - (Lana Clairez): Just do a little. You want to do a little ending.

0:58:50 - (Tawni Nguyen): Like, thank you for being. Okay. Yeah. So thanks for being with us throughout this entire journey. This is Shawn Maguire. Shawn Maguire, all of our stuff. And hopefully you found something very. I wouldn't say insightful, but it's just we're real people behind the camera.

0:59:08 - (Shawn Mcguire): We are real.

0:59:09 - (Tawni Nguyen): What I want to point forth is we're just not talking heads coming at you from a studio. We are real people with real feelings. And, yeah. Say fit. Say frugal. I totally forgot. What?

0:59:24 - (Lana Clairez): Thank you, guys. Bye.